[I. Call to Order ]
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          AFTER 6:00. THANKS FOR YOUR PATIENCE. I'D LIKE TO CALL THE APRIL 22ND SANDY SPRINGS PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING TO ORDER AND TURN IT OVER TO SAM FOR ROLL CALL AND ANNOUNCEMENTS. 
          THANK YOU CHAIR. GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIR. VICE CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION. TODAY IS APRIL THE 20TH. APRIL 20TH. I'M SORRY. EXCUSE ME. APRIL 22ND, 2026. 
          PLEASE CONFIRM YOUR ATTENDANCE AS I CALL YOUR NAME. CHAIRMAN REED, I'M HERE. VICE CHAIR ANDY PORTER, COMMISSIONER ROBIN CONKLIN HERE. COMMISSIONER KAREN HERE. COMMISSIONER. 
          SHERWIN CLEMENS, COMMISSIONER STEVE STEVENS. STEVE LEAVES. SORRY. YOUR ATTENDANCE HAVE BEEN CONFIRMED AND WILL BE INCLUDED IN THE OFFICIAL MEETING MINUTES. NOW I WILL READ THE ANNOUNCEMENTS REGARDING THE DECORUM AND THE PROCEDURES OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING. THE PLANNING COMMISSION DUTY IS TO REVIEW AND PROVIDE RECOMMENDATIONS ON APPLICATIONS FOR LEGISLATIVE REVIEW, INCLUDING TEXT AMENDMENTS, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, CHARACTER AREA MAPS, AMENDMENTS, ZONING MAP AMENDMENTS, REZONING AND CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS. THE PETITION WILL BE HEARD IN THE SEQUENCE LISTED ON THE POSTED AGENDA. FOLLOWING ARE SOME OF THE RULES AND PROCEDURES FOR THIS PART OF THE MEETING. THE APPLICANT AND ALL THOSE SPEAKING IN SUPPORT OF THE APPLICATION WILL BE ALLOWED A TOTAL OF TEN MINUTES TO PRESENT THE PETITION. THE APPLICANT MAY CHOOSE TO SAVE SOME OF THE TIME FOR REBUTTAL. FOLLOWING THE THE. THEIR PRESENTATION BY THE OPPOSITION, THE OPPOSITION WILL BE ALLOWED A TOTAL OF TEN MINUTES TO PRESENT ITS POSITION. SINCE THE BURDEN OF PROOF IS UPON THE APPLICANT, THE APPLICANT WILL BE ALLOWED TO MAKE CLOSING REMARKS PROVIDED TIME REMAIN FROM THE ORIGINAL ALLOTTED TIME. STAFF WILL KEEP TRACK OF THE TIME FOR BOTH SIDES. THOSE CALLED TO SPEAK WILL BE TAKEN IN THE ORDER THAT THE PUBLIC COMMENT CARDS WERE RECEIVED BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING CLERK PRIOR TO THE BEGINNING OF TONIGHT'S MEETING. 
          ALL SPEAKERS WILL IDENTIFY THEMSELVES BY NAME, ADDRESS AND, IF APPLICABLE, ORGANIZATION BEFORE BEGINNING THEIR PRESENTATION. DEMONSTRATION OF ANY SORT WITHIN THE CHAMBER IS PROHIBITED, SO PLEASE REFRAIN FROM APPLAUSE. CHEERING BOOING, OUTBURST OR DIALOG WHEN THE PERSON IS SPEAKING, PLEASE SHOW THE SAME RESPECT TO THE PERSON SPEAKING THAT YOU WILL EXPECT TO RECEIVE. THE APPLICANT SHALL NOT SUBMIT MATERIALS TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION DURING THE MEETING. ALL MATERIALS SHOULD BE SUBMITTED IN THE COMMUNITY TO THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT AT LEAST 30 DAYS PRIOR TO THE SCHEDULED MEETING FOR INCLUSION IN THE NORMAL 
          [III. Approval of Meeting Agenda ]
DISTRIBUTION OF THE PACKAGING TO THE COMMISSION. THANK YOU CHAIR. THANKS, SAM. WE'VE GOT A PRETTY FULL AGENDA TONIGHT, WHICH IS GREAT. WE'VE GOT A MEETING AGENDA. DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA? MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA. THANK YOU, MISS CLEMENS. 
          SECONDED BY MR. ALL IN FAVOR? MEETING AGENDA IS APPROVED. WE HAVE MINUTES FROM THE LAST 
          [IV. Approval of Meeting Minutes ]
MEETING, WHICH WAS IN FEBRUARY. THE ONLY THING TO POINT OUT IS LAKITA SAID THERE WOULD BE A MEETING IN MARCH AND THERE WAS NOT. SO. BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S. THESE LOOK ACCURATE TO ME FROM WHAT WE DISCUSSED. SOMEBODY MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. SO MOVED. WELL MADE BY MISS TRIAL SECONDED BY MR. LEADS. ALL IN FAVOR? I. OKAY. SO THAT WE'VE GOT THE MEETING. SO OUR FIRST 
          [V. Work Session ]
ITEM TONIGHT IS A WORK SESSION REGARDING DESIGN GUIDELINES. NOT SURE HOW THAT'S WHO'S DOING THAT. SO I'LL JUST INTRODUCE YOU REAL QUICK. YOU'RE CORRECT. WE HAVE OUR. CONSULTANT. SORRY. 
          SECURITY GHOST. YOU GUYS ARE FAMILIAR WITH HIM? HE'S BEEN HERE SEVERAL TIMES FOR DIFFERENT THINGS, INCLUDING DESIGN GUIDELINES FORMALLY. SO I'LL LET HIM EXPLAIN THE UPDATE, WHICH WE ARE GETTING CLOSE TO, CLOSING THIS OUT AND BRINGING IT FORWARD FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS. 
          THANK YOU, MATT, AND GOOD EVENING, CHAIR, VICE CHAIR AND PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBERS. 
          THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME TO YOU TO SHARE THE PROGRESS UPDATE OF THE DESIGN GUIDELINES. I DON'T KNOW WHO IS ADVANCING THE SLIDES. YOU ARE OKAY IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. THANK YOU. SO TODAY WE ARE GOING TO BE FOCUSING ON LIKE WHAT IS THE DESIGN GUIDELINES. WE HAVE A SECTION WHICH SHOWS THE ORGANIZATION OF THE GUIDELINES, WHAT WE HAVE HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY AND THE FEEDBACK THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED AND HOW WE HAVE TAKEN 
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THAT FEEDBACK AND CREATED THE GUIDELINES. AND THEN OF COURSE, WE'LL HAVE A DISCUSSION AND A QA SESSION NEXT. YOU HAVE SEEN THIS MAP MANY TIMES, AND THE AREAS IN COLOR ARE THE AREAS WHERE THE DESIGN GUIDELINES ARE GOING TO BE APPLIED. THOSE ARE THE COMMERCIAL AREAS, AREAS WHERE THE MULTIFAMILY UNITS ARE AND THE TOWNHOMES ARE. SO IT INCLUDES THE NORTH END IN THE RED CITY SPRINGS IN BLUE, CENTRAL PERIMETER ON THE EAST SIDE, ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF 285, IT IS CROSSROADS AND NEIGHBORHOOD VILLAGE, AND ON THE WEST SIDE IS THE POWERS FERRY. THIS IS. THE DESIGN GUIDELINES ARE ADVISORY IN NATURE, VERY MUCH LIKE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, BUT IT BRIDGES THE GAP BETWEEN THE COMP PLAN AND THE LEGAL REQUIREMENT OF THE DEVELOPMENT CODE AND THE TECHNICAL MANUAL. IT IS GOING TO BE APPLIED FOR DEVELOPMENT, REDEVELOPMENT, ANY KIND OF SMALL SCALE DEVELOPMENT. SO THE DESIGN GUIDELINES WILL BE TRIGGERED AND WOULD BE USED FOR THOSE KIND OF CASES. NEXT, AS MATT MENTIONED, WE ARE TOWARDS THE END OF THE PROJECT, WE HAD A YEAR OF PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, AND WE USED THAT PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT TO DRAFT UP THE GUIDELINES IN THE LAST MONTH OR SO. I'M HAPPY TO SHARE THAT THE GUIDELINES ARE ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE. TOWARDS THE END, I WILL SHARE WITH YOU WHERE YOU CAN GO TO VIEW IT. IT IS GOING TO BE THERE FOR A MONTH OR SO FOR PUBLIC VIEW UNTIL MAY 15TH, 2026. SO PLEASE VIEW THAT AND PROVIDE THERE. PROVIDE YOUR COMMENTS. THERE IS A COMMENTS BOX AND THOSE ARE SUBDIVIDED BY EACH CHAPTER OR EACH SECTION. SO IF YOU FEEL LIKE THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT, IF YOU FEEL LIKE THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT YOU'RE GOOD WITH, PLEASE PROVIDE THOSE COMMENTS. WE ARE GOING TO BE TAKING THE COMMENTS AND REFINING THE DOCUMENT BASED ON ALL OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE'LL BE RECEIVING IN THE NEXT MONTH OR SO. AFTER THAT, THE NEXT TIME WE COME BACK TO YOU ALL IS THE PLANNING COMMISSION HEARING PROCESS. AND THEN AFTER THAT, THE MAYOR AND THE COUNCIL HEARING, WE PRESENTED THE SAME THING, THIS PRESENTATION TO THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL YESTERDAY. NEXT. YOU HAVE SEEN THIS ALSO. 
          WE HAVE GONE THROUGH VERY EXTENSIVE AMOUNT OF ENGAGEMENT, STARTING WITH THE FEEDBACK. WE MET WITH YOU ALL AT THE BEGINNING OF THE PROCESS. WE HAD A LOT OF STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS THAT INCLUDES NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTS AND THEIR REPRESENTATIVES, REAL ESTATE FOLKS, DEVELOPERS, DESIGNERS, YOU NAME IT, AND BUSINESS OWNERS. AND WE HAVE MET WITH THEM. BUT WE ALSO HAVE FIVE ROUNDS ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO BE HAVING FIVE ROUNDS OF PUBLIC MEETINGS FOR. WE ACTUALLY DID THE FIFTH ONE IS THIS KIND OF A PERIOD. WE ARE GOING TO BE HAVING A PUBLIC MEETING TOMORROW NIGHT. SO THAT'S THE FIFTH ONE FOR EACH ONE OF THOSE ROUNDS. WE HAD A PUBLIC MEETING. WE HAD A SURVEY FOR PEOPLE WHO WERE NOT ABLE TO ATTEND THE PUBLIC MEETING. THEY WERE ABLE TO SEE ALL OF THE EXHIBITS ONLINE AND PROVIDE THEIR COMMENTS AND FEEDBACK THAT WAY. WE ALSO HAD POP UPS. WE WENT TO DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS, WE WENT TO DIFFERENT PARKS. THE FARM, THE FARMER'S MARKET WAS THE MOST SUCCESSFUL POP UP THAT WE HAD. SO THERE WAS A LOT OF ENGAGEMENT OPPORTUNITIES THAT WERE PROVIDED, AND THERE WAS A LOT OF QUALITY FEEDBACK THAT WE RECEIVED FROM FROM THE COMMUNITY. NEXT, BASED ON ALL OF THAT, WE HAVE ORGANIZED THE DOCUMENT IN 3 OR 4 DIFFERENT STEPS. WHEN YOU SEE THE DOCUMENT, YOU WILL SEE THE FIRST SECTION IS ABOUT THE OVERALL VISION AND THE FRAMEWORK, WHICH IS KIND OF BASED ON WHAT IS LAID OUT IN THE NEXT TEN PLAN. AND THEN WE HAVE THREE THREE REALMS, THE PUBLIC REALM, THE SIDEWALK AREAS, THE PRIVATE REALM, THE PRIVATE SITE, AND THE HORIZONTAL PLANE AROUND THE BUILDINGS, AND THEN THE BUILDING RAIL. EACH ONE OF THOSE HAVE THE DESIGN PRINCIPLES. AND UNDERNEATH THE DESIGN PRINCIPLES YOU WILL SEE THERE ARE SPECIFIC COMPONENTS OF EACH ONE OF THOSE REALMS. FOR EXAMPLE, PUBLIC REALM HAS THE STREETSCAPE AREAS, WHICH INCLUDES PAVING, FURNISHING TREES AND PLANTING, WAYFINDING, SIGNAGE, UTILITIES, ETC. EACH ONE OF THOSE COMPONENTS HAVE LIKE OBJECTIVES AND THEN THE STRATEGIES AND THE GUIDELINES. 
          WHILE ALL OF THIS CREATES A KIND OF A DISTINCT CHARACTER OF THE DIFFERENT PLACES, BUT THERE IS ALSO A LOT OF UNIFYING CHARACTER OF THESE PLACES, AND THOSE ARE ALSO DEPICTED WITH THE AREA SPECIFIC GUIDELINES WITH WE HAVE THE BUILDING DESIGN GUIDELINES, WHICH TALKS ABOUT SPECIFIC DISTRICTS LIKE CITY SPRINGS, PERIMETER, NORTH END, CROSSROADS, NEIGHBORHOOD VILLAGE AND POWERS FERRY. NEXT, BASED ON WHAT WE HAVE HEARD SO FAR, WE HAVE ORGANIZED THIS INTO SIX DIFFERENT TOPICS. THE FIRST TWO TOPICS ARE MORE ABOUT THE OVERALL FRAMEWORK. WE HAVE HEARD VERY LOUD AND CLEAR FROM THE LEADERSHIP THAT IT HAS TO BE VERY CLEAR AND CONSISTENT GUIDELINES. IT HAS TO HAVE FLEXIBILITY BUILT IN SO THAT THE PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO EXPRESS THEMSELVES WITHIN THE PRIVATE PROPERTIES. BUT AS LONG AS 
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THEY'RE ALIGNED AT THE THRESHOLD OF THE PUBLIC REALM WITH THE WITH THE SITE, THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT. RECOGNIZING THE DISTINCT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE DIFFERENT DISTRICTS IS GOING TO BE VERY IMPORTANT. THE NEXT THREE IS MORE ABOUT THE PUBLIC REALM AND THE HORIZONTAL SURFACES, HOW TO MAKE THE STREETS MORE WALKABLE AND COMFORTABLE AND SAFE, CREATING QUALITY PUBLIC REALM. WE HAVE A GREAT PARK JUST OUTSIDE OF THIS BUILDING. HOW CAN WE REPLICATE THAT? MAYBE NOT EXACTLY THIS SIZE, BUT IN DIFFERENT KIND OF DEVELOPMENTS. HOW CAN WE REPLICATE PUBLIC GATHERING SPACES? HOW CAN WE STRENGTHEN CONNECTIONS BETWEEN THE DIFFERENT DESTINATIONS? AND FINALLY, ENCOURAGING BETTER BUILDING DESIGN WITHOUT OVERREGULATING ANY KIND OF DEVELOPMENT? SO DEVELOPMENT CODE IS ALREADY THERE. THE TECHNICAL MANUAL IS THERE. THIS IS JUST TO HELP VISUALLY SHOWCASE WHAT IS LAID OUT IN THE DEVELOPMENT GUIDELINES. NEXT, TALKING ABOUT THE FIRST TWO, I MENTIONED ABOUT THE SIX DIFFERENT AREAS. WE HAVE THREE DIFFERENT LAYERS OF THIS OVERALL FRAMEWORK. THE FIRST LAYER IS THERE IS A CHARACTER DEFINING NODE IN TWO AREAS ALREADY. SO THE CITY CODE, THE CITY SPRINGS. WE ALREADY KNOW PEOPLE LOVE THIS AREA. THIS IS THEIR KIND OF LIVING SPACE. 
          THEY COME TO THIS AREA. THEY'RE VERY PROUD OF THIS AREA. PERIMETER HAS ITS OWN CHARACTER, WIDER INFRASTRUCTURE, TALLER BUILDINGS, MORE GLASS BUILDINGS. SO IT HAS IT'S THESE TWO AREAS ALREADY ARE REALLY CHARACTER DEFINED NODES. THE OTHER AREAS ARE EMERGING IDENTIFIABLE PLACES. NOT. THEN IF YOU GO ALONG ROSWELL ROAD, THERE'S WOODED AREAS. THERE IS A LOT OF TREE CANOPY. THE NEIGHBORHOODS ARE KIND OF NESTLED WITHIN THE WOODS ON THE SOUTHERN SIDE OF 285, IT'S MORE URBAN CROSSROADS WITH THE PRADO AREA AND ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD VILLAGE ON THE SOUTH SIDE GETTING INTO THE SOUTHERN GATEWAY OF THE CITY. IT'S MORE URBAN. AND OF COURSE YOU HAVE THE POWERS FERRY. IT'S A MODEST VILLAGE SCALE, BUT THERE ARE HOSPITALITY RELATED AND OFFICE RELATED USES AND FUNCTIONS OVER THERE. NEXT. SO BASED ON ALL OF THAT, THESE ARE THE KEY CONSIDERATIONS. I DON'T WANT TO GO IN DEPTH INTO THESE ONES, BUT YOU HAVE SEEN ALL OF THIS. BUT ONE THING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO MENTION IS THE FLEXIBILITY AND ADAPTABILITY PART. WHAT YOU WILL SEE IN THIS DOCUMENT IS THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS. IT'S VERY VISUAL, IT'S VERY GRAPHIC, AND THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS. WE'RE NOT SAYING THAT WE ARE BRINGING SOMETHING ANEW TO THIS PLACE. WE ARE TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S THERE ALREADY AND TRYING TO EMPHASIZE THAT. AND THEN THE OTHER THING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO MENTION IS THIS WORD OFFICE, OR RATHER THIS PHRASE OF SANDY SPRINGS. WE HAVE HEARD THIS FROM THE COMMUNITY, LIKE, AS I JUST MENTIONED, WHAT IS THERE WITHIN THE SPECIFIC DISTRICTS AND EMPHASIZE THOSE. SO WE'LL SHARE SOME OF THOSE IN THE NEXT FEW SLIDES. NEXT, HOW TO MAKE STREETS MORE WALKABLE AND COMFORTABLE. WHAT ARE SOME OF THE AMENITIES THAT YOU CAN INCLUDE? AND THIS IS JUST ONE OF MANY DIAGRAMS THAT WE HAVE INCLUDED AS PART OF THE DESIGN GUIDELINES. AND AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE A LOT OF THIS STUFF IS IN THE DEVELOPMENT CODE, BUT THE DESIGN GUIDELINES ARE GOING TO BE SHOWING A LOT OF DIAGRAMS LIKE THIS TO SHOW WHAT ARE SOME OF THE AMENITIES THAT YOU CAN PUT INTO THE STREETSCAPE AND THE PUBLIC SPACES TO MAKE IT MORE WALKABLE, MAYBE MORE SAFE AND COMFORTABLE? NEXT, THERE'S A LOT OF IMAGES LIKE THIS THROUGHOUT THE DOCUMENT. THIS IS A SNIPPET OF SOME OF THE PAGES FROM THE DOCUMENT. A LOT OF IMAGES. THIS HAPPENS TO BE GOOD. STREETSCAPES. EXAMPLES. THESE ARE HIGHLY CURATED IMAGES BASED ON THE FEEDBACK THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED FROM THE LEADERSHIP, INCLUDING YOURSELF, AS WELL AS FROM THE PUBLIC MEETINGS. AND YOU'LL SEE THOSE LITTLE GREEN RECTANGLES WITHIN THE IMAGES. IT'S NOT ABOUT REPLICATING THE IMAGES AS A WHOLE, BUT WHAT IS THE SPECIFIC THING ABOUT THAT IMAGE THAT MAKES IT STAND OUT? SO WHAT ARE THOSE ELEMENTS? SO THOSE ARE THE GUIDELINES AND THE STRATEGIES THAT ARE DEPICTED AS PART OF THE DESIGN GUIDELINES. 
          NEXT, FURNISHINGS AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, WE ALL HAVE OUR LIVING ROOMS IN OUR HOMES AND WE CAREFULLY CURATE AND FURNISH OUR SPACES EXACTLY LIKE THAT IN THE PUBLIC REALM AREAS. 
          THIS IS THE KIT OF PARTS OF ALL OF THE FURNISHINGS, WHETHER IT'S BENCHES, TRASH CANS, BIKE RACKS, PLANTERS, LIGHTS AND DIFFERENT KINDS OF FIXTURES AND ELEMENTS AND KIT OF PARTS IN THE DIFFERENT DISTRICTS. NEXT, TREES AND PLANTING CAME OUT VERY HIGHLY WITH AS PART OF THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. SO WE HAVE GUIDELINES RELATED TO TREE SPACING, THE CLUSTERING, THE TYPES OF TREES, THE KIND OF TREES. SO THERE'S A LOT OF GUIDELINES RELATED TO THAT. 
          NEXT, STRENGTHENING CONNECTIONS OF GATHERING SPACES SO THAT YOU DO NOT HAVE TO GET INTO A CAR TO GO TWO MINUTES OUT OF YOUR WAY. IF YOU'RE IN CITY SPRINGS, YOU CAN PARK ONCE AND IF YOU 
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HAVE A CLEAR SIGHT, IF YOU FEEL YOU'RE SAFELY AND COMFORTABLY CAN GO FROM PLACE TO PLACE, THAT'S GOING TO BE VERY IMPORTANT. SO THIS THERE ARE A LOT OF GUIDELINES AND STRATEGIES RELATED TO THAT. WE ALSO HAVE GUIDELINES RELATED TO PUBLIC ART AND WATER FEATURES. 
          WE ARE MEETING WITH THE ART SANDY SPRINGS TOMORROW LIKE OTHER STAKEHOLDERS, NEXT BUILDINGS ARE A KEY AS PART OF THE GUIDELINES THAT. THIRD REALM. AFTER THE PUBLIC AND THE PRIVATE REALM. THE BUILDINGS INCLUDES MATERIALS, MASSING, ARTICULATION AND TRANSPARENCY. 
          WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT FLAT BUILDINGS. WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT JUST ONE MATERIALS. 
          MATERIALS CAN BE GLASS, MATERIALS CAN BE BRICK. THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS. 
          IT'S ABOUT CREATING THE SHADES AND SHADOWS AND CREATING THE INTEREST OF THE BUILDINGS. JUST LIKE THIS BUILDING THAT WE ARE IN, IT CREATES A LOT OF INTEREST AND IT CREATES A LANDMARK. SO THERE IS A LOT OF GUIDELINES RELATED TO THAT FOR EACH ONE OF THOSE SPECIFIC DISTRICTS. NEXT, AGAIN, EXAMPLES OF BUILDINGS. THIS HAPPENS TO BE FROM THE CITY SPRINGS AREA. SOME OF THE THE PREFERRED IMAGES. THESE ARE ALSO HIGHLY CURATED. SO YOU CAN SEE THE SCALE, THE KIND OF FEATURES, THE MATERIALS, THE ARTICULATION AND THE OFFSETS AND THE INSETS OF THE BUILDINGS. IT CREATES THE INTEREST. IT CREATES SHADOWS LIKE SIMPLE THINGS LIKE CANOPIES, SIMPLE THINGS LIKE OFFSETTING THE WINDOWS A LITTLE BIT SO THAT IT CREATES A SHADOW LINE. IT CREATES A LOT OF CHARACTER TO A SPECIFIC PLACE. NEXT, WE ALSO HAVE INCLUDED GUIDELINES RELATED TO SMALLER SCALE BUILDINGS. YOU DON'T HAVE TO READ ALL OF THAT TEXT. THIS IS FROM THE DOCUMENT ITSELF. THE POINT IS TO MAKE SMALLER SCALE BUILDINGS, RETROFITS AND ADJACENT SITE IMPROVEMENTS. I THINK WE HAVE USED THE SITE FROM VICE CHAIR, SO THANK YOU FOR LETTING US USE THAT AS AN EXAMPLE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR USING IT AS A BEFORE PICTURE. YEAH. SO WE HAVE GUIDELINES RELATED TO THAT. 
          NEXT. SO THE OTHER SECTION THAT YOU WILL SEE TOWARDS THE FRONT OF THE WHOLE GUIDELINES DOCUMENT IS HOW CAN YOU USE THAT FOR IMPLEMENTATION. AND WE HAVE TALKED WITH THE CITY STAFF REGARDING THE IMPLEMENTATION OF IT. IN SOME CASES, SOME OF THIS MIGHT FIND ITS WAY INTO THE DEVELOPMENT CODE BASED ON THE APPLICABILITY OF IT DOWN THE LINE. BUT A LOT OF THIS IS GOING TO BE APPLIED IN THE PRE-APPLICATION STAGE. SO WHEN THE WHEN A DEVELOPER OR SOMEBODY'S PROPERTY OWNER IS INTERESTED IN DEVELOPING OR REDEVELOPING THEIR PROPERTY, THEY WOULD COME TO THE CITY STAFF AND SIT DOWN WITH THEM AND GO THROUGH ALL OF THIS. 
          EXACTLY LIKE WHAT THE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DOES. IT PROVIDES A BIGGER PICTURE AND A VISION FOR THE DIFFERENT CHARACTER AREAS. AND THE DEVELOPMENT CODE IS A LEGAL DOCUMENT. AND WE CAN WE SHOULD USE THE DESIGN GUIDELINES AS PART OF THAT PRE-APPLICATION STAGE. SO THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT BUCKETS. ONE IS CREATING THAT CLEAR EXPECTATION TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS AND THE DEVELOPERS AND WHAT ARE THE BENEFITS. RIGHT? SO AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, STARTS WITH THE PRE-APPLICATION PROCESS. IT CAN GUIDE THE REZONING. SO YOU HAVE A LOT OF REZONINGS COMING UP IN YOUR AGENDA TODAY. SO AT SOME POINT OF TIME WHEN IT GETS ADOPTED, YOU WILL BE ABLE TO REVIEW THIS AND SEE WHETHER IT ALIGNS WITH THE DESIGN GUIDELINES, ALONG WITH THE COMP PLAN AND THE DEVELOPMENT CODE AND THE TECHNICAL MANUAL. WE ALSO MENTIONED ABOUT THE ALIGNMENT WITH THE DEVELOPMENT CODE. THE DEVELOPMENT CODE, I THINK SECTION SIX ALREADY HAS AN OUTDOOR AMENITY SPACE STANDARDS. SO THE DESIGN GUIDELINES IS A GRAPHICAL WAY OF REPRESENTING THAT OASIS STANDARDS. AND WE ALSO TALKED WITH A LOT OF DEVELOPERS REGARDING HOW CAN THE CITY SET THE STANDARDS. SO YOU'RE APPLYING A LOT OF THE TSPLOST MONEY AND THE FUNDING TO DEVELOP AND REDEVELOP OR IMPROVE YOUR PUBLIC STREETSCAPES. SO USING THAT GUIDELINES TO HELP VISUALLY AND GRAPHICALLY TO HELP LIKE WHAT IS THE CHARACTER OF THAT SPACE? EVEN IF YOU'RE DOING A SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENT, WHAT ARE THE SPECIFIC ELEMENTS THAT GOES INTO A SPECIFIC SECTION OF A SIDEWALK? AND WHEN YOU IMPROVE THAT OR ENHANCE THAT, THAT CREATES AN INCENTIVE TO AN ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER. OKAY, THE CITY HAS CREATED THAT OPPORTUNITY. HOW CAN I LEVERAGE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE A BETTER REDEVELOPMENT FOR MY PROPERTY? SO WHAT ARE THE BENEFITS? BENEFITS CAN BE HEIGHT BONUSES IN SOME CASES REDUCTION OF HEIGHT. THERE ARE SOME MINIMUM HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS IN SOME OF THE DISTRICTS. SO HOW CAN YOU REDUCE THAT HEIGHT IF THEY ARE APPLYING TO DESIGN GUIDELINES? THERE ARE IN SOME OTHER CASES, THERE CAN BE ADDITIONAL HEIGHT BONUSES, PREDICTABLE APPROVALS, LIST REDESIGN BECAUSE YOUR GRAPHICALLY SHOWING WHAT IS THE INTENT OF THE COMMUNITY IN THOSE SPECIFIC AREAS. SO IT WOULD LEAD TO LESS, LESS REDESIGN. AND WHILE IT CREATES A VERY CLEAR EXPECTATION TO A PROPERTY OWNER, OWNER OR DEVELOPER, IT ALSO MEANS REDUCED RISK FOR THEIR INVESTMENT. THEY ARE NOT SPENDING THE THE MONEY AND JUST CIRCLING THE WHEELS, COMING 
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BACK AND FORTH WITH THE CITY STAFF THINKING ABOUT LIKE, WHAT IS THE BEST SOLUTION? WHAT IS THE RIGHT SOLUTION, APPROPRIATE SOLUTION FOR MY PROPERTY. AND OF COURSE, WITH ALL OF THIS, YOU ARE CREATING A STRONGER, MORE COHESIVE CITY WITH HIGH QUALITY DEVELOPMENT. THAT'S THE IMPORTANT PART. AND YOU ALREADY HAVE A BRAND, SANDY SPRINGS BRAND, BUT HOW CAN YOU ENHANCE THAT SANDY SPRINGS BRAND AND EMPHASIZE THAT NEXT? SO THE NEXT STEPS, WE HAVE A PUBLIC MEETING, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE TOMORROW FROM 6 TO 8. WE ALSO HAVE AN ONLINE COMMENT FORM AS PART OF THAT PUBLIC MEETING, ALL OF THE EXHIBITS ARE GOING TO BE UPLOADED TO THE WEBSITE. 
          AND THEN THE MONTH LONG PUBLIC REVIEW PROCESS. I JUST WANT TO MAKE A MENTION THAT WE'RE ALSO WORKING WITH THE CITY STAFF RIGHT NOW ACTIVELY TO REFINE SOME OF THE CHAPTERS BY. BUT WE WANTED TO SHARE THIS AS A PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD, SO THAT ONCE WE GET ALL OF THAT, WE CAN REFINE THE DOCUMENT TOGETHER. SO WE'LL INCORPORATE THE COMMENTS AND REFINE THE GUIDELINES. AND THEN WE'LL GO THROUGH THE GUIDELINES ADOPTION PROCESS NEXT. I THINK THAT'S THE FINAL SLIDE. SO THAT'S THE WEBSITE SPR DESIGN. IF YOU GO THERE, YOU WILL SEE ALL OF THE MATERIALS FROM ALL OF THE PUBLIC MEETINGS, INCLUDING THE DRAFT DOCUMENT AND THE ONLINE COMMENT FORM. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. QUESTIONS. YEAH. REAL QUICKLY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR IN-DEPTH PRESENTATION. THE MEETING TOMORROW IS HERE. MEETING TOMORROW IS THE STUDIO THEATER LOBBY IN THE STUDIO THEATER LOBBY. OKAY. SO SO ANYBODY WHO'S LISTENING OR WANTS TO COME. THAT'S RIGHT OUT, RIGHT OUT HERE ONE AND THEN YOUR ONE MINOR CORRECTION BEFORE WE MOVE ON. SORRY, SECURITY. PROBABLY MY FAULT I DIDN'T MAKE THIS CLEAR. IT IS ACTUALLY OUT IN THE MAIN LOBBY. OH, BUT EVERYTHING ELSE IS THE SAME, OKAY. IN THE MAIN LOBBY. AND THEN THE OTHER THING WITH THE ADOPTION PROCESS, WHEN IS THE PROPOSED TIMELINE? WHEN THIS WOULD BE PUT IN PLACE? SO MAY 15TH IS THE CLOSURE OF THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. AND WE'LL TAKE SOME TIME TO REFINE THE DOCUMENT. AND WE'LL WORK WITH THE CITY STAFF TO SCHEDULE THE PLANNING COMMISSION HEARING PROCESS. MAYBE A COUPLE OF MONTHS OR A MONTH OR A COUPLE OF MONTHS FROM THE MAY 15TH DATE. OKAY, GREAT. THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS. ANYBODY ELSE? STEVE, I UNDERSTAND THE DESIRE FOR THIS BEING ADVISORY AND NOT PRESCRIPTIVE IN ORDER TO ACHIEVE SOME OF THE SANDY SPRINGS LOOK OR SANDY SPRINGS ESTHETIC. DID YOU CONSIDER WHETHER CERTAIN ASPECTS IN CERTAIN OF THE NODES SHOULD BE PRESCRIPTIVE RATHER THAN SIMPLY A GUIDELINE ADVISORY? YES. WE HAVE BEEN TALKING WITH THE CITY STAFF ACTIVELY REGARDING THAT. SO THAT'S KIND OF THE REFINEMENT THAT WE'LL BE PUTTING IN THE DESIGN GUIDELINES SO THAT IT HAS A LITTLE BIT MORE TEETH WITH REGARDS TO THE APPLICATION OF THE IMPLEMENTATION. SO DEFINITELY, YES, WE ARE WORKING ON IT. THANK YOU. GREAT QUESTION. ANYBODY ELSE? SURE, SURE. SO THANK YOU. MR. THIS IS REALLY GOOD STARTING TO ALL COME TOGETHER. SO IT'S EXCITING TO SEE. SO I'M NOT SURE IF THIS WILL BE FOR GINGER AND HER TEAM OR FOR YOU, BUT SEEING THAT WE ARE NOW MOVING INTO THE NEXT ROUND OF NEXT TEN, IT MAKES ME CURIOUS ABOUT THE TIMING OF ALL OF THIS AND THE POTENTIAL IMPACT OF WHAT COMES OUT OF THIS NEXT TEN ROUND, WITH THIS BEING IMPLEMENTED THIS YEAR, HOW DOES THAT ALL PLAY TOGETHER AND WHAT COULD COME FROM THAT? IT SEEMS LIKE THERE IS A BIT OF A THERE HAPPENING CLOSE TOGETHER, RIGHT? GUIDELINES. THEN WE GO TO NEXT TEN AND THEN WHAT HAPPENS AND WHAT COMES FROM THAT? I THINK IT'LL ALL WORK TOGETHER HAND IN HAND, BECAUSE A LOT OF WHAT WE DISCOVERED DURING THIS DESIGN GUIDELINE PROCESS AND SORT OF CARVING OUT THE CITY AREAS, WE HAVE SOME IDEAS OF REFINING SOME ITEMS IN THE NEXT TEN AS WELL. SO THEY BOTH WORK TOGETHER. A LOT OF THE IDEAS THAT CAME TO THE DESIGN GUIDELINES WERE FROM THE PREVIOUS NEXT TEN, AND WE DON'T ANTICIPATE THAT ANY OF THOSE ITEMS ARE GOING TO BE CHANGED. BUT THERE'S ALWAYS THE OPTION AND OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE AN EDIT TO THESE, JUST LIKE WE MAKE EDITS TO TEXT AMENDMENT AND SO ON. IN THE INTERIM, BETWEEN COMPREHENSIVE PLANS, WE CAN DO THIS AS WELL, BUT FOR THE MOST PART WE FEEL THIS WILL BE INTACT. SO IF I UNDERSTAND THE AS THEY GO IN THE GROUP THAT'S GOING TO GO INTO NEXT TEN, AS THEY START WORKING ON THAT, THEY'RE ACTUALLY START NOT START WITH, BUT THIS WILL BE A BASELINE AT LEAST WHERE THEY WILL UNDERSTAND WHAT THE CURRENT GUIDELINES ARE WITH THE INTENTION OF BUILDING OFF OF THAT. CORRECT. OKAY. AND GREAT NEWS IS SECURITY GAUCHE IS WORKING ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AWESOME. YOU GUYS ARE SO SMART. THAT'S AWESOME. THANK 
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YOU. THANK YOU. GREAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT. SAM, LET'S CALL THE FIRST CASE. THANK YOU. CHAIR, THE DASH 20 5-6. THIS IS 
          [VI. Cases ]
FOR 1265 1309, 1329 1349 AND 1369 SPALDING DRIVE. A ZONING MAP AMENDMENT REZONING TO REZONE FROM R ONE TO RD9 PRESENTED BY LAQUITA WILLIAMS, OUR PLANNER TWO. THANK YOU SAM. 
          ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBERS AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. WELCOME TO THE APRIL 22ND, 2026 PLANNING COMMISSION PUBLIC HEARING. TONIGHT I WILL BE DISCUSSING THREE CASES AND THE FIRST CASE WILL BE R Z 25 SIX. THIS IS A REASON FOR FIVE ADDRESSES LISTED AT 1265, 1309, 13, 29, 1349 AND 1369 SPALDING DRIVE. STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS. ALL RIGHT, SO THE CHARACTER AREA OF THE PARCELS IS PROTECTED NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THE ZONING IS RE1 FOR ONE ACRE MINIMUM LOT SIZE. THE LAST IMAGE TO THE RIGHT IS AN AERIAL IMAGE HIGHLIGHTING THE PARCEL IN BLUE. HERE ARE THE FIVE PARCELS ON SPALDING DRIVE, WHICH IS CLASSIFIED AS A MAJOR COLLECTOR. STREET ACROSS FROM SPALDING DRIVE IS STRATFORD MANOR AND SPALDING SPRINGS NEIGHBORHOODS. BOTH HAVE A ZONING DESIGNATION OF RD NINE, AND THE AVERAGE LOT SIZES RANGE FROM 11,000FT■S TO 14,000FT■S PR LOT. IMMEDIATELY EAST IS A SINGLE FAMILY PARCEL ZONED RI ONE, AND THE WHITEHALL NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH HAS A ZONING DESIGNATION OF RD 12 AND AN AVERAGE LOT SIZE OF 14,000FT■!S. TO THE SOUTH IS THE CITY OF DUNWOODY. HERE ARE SOME IMAGES OF THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT. THE FIVE PARCELS ARE COMPRISED OF APPROXIMATELY 7.4 ACRES, EACH WITH A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL HOME. THE HOMES WERE BUILT BETWEEN 1959 AND 1970, AND EACH INDIVIDUAL PARCEL HAS A DRIVEWAY, CURB CUT, ACCESSING SPOT AND DRIVE, WITH A TOTAL OF FIVE CURB CUTS. THE APPLICANTS ARE PROPOSING TO BUILD A NEW SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY. OF THE PROPOSED 21 NEW LOTS, THE AVERAGE LOT SIZE IS 10,910FT■S, SIMILAR TO THE EXISTING AND ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOODS I MENTIONED EARLIER. THE SITE PLAN SHOWS THE INCLUSION OF TWO POCKET PARKS ABOVE THEIR UNDERGROUND STORMWATER DETENTION FACILITIES AND A COMMON AREA AREA NEAR THE ENTRANCE OF THE DEVELOPMENT. THE SINGLE FAMILY EXCUSE ME, THE SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOMES WILL RANGE IN SIZE FROM 3500 TO 4500FT■!S. THE STREETS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY WILL BE BUILT TO PUBLIC STREET STANDARDS WITH SIDEWALKS. THE DEVELOPMENT WILL HAVE ONE ACCESS POINT FROM SPALDING DRIVE AND THE SIGNALIZED INTERSECTION OF SPALDING DRIVE AND PITTS ROAD. STAFF EVALUATED THIS REQUEST AGAINST THE CITY'S APPROVAL CRITERIA FOR ZONING MAP AMENDMENT, AND OVERALL, THE REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. IT'S COMPATIBLE WITH THE AREA, AND IT SUPPORTS NEEDED HOUSING WITHOUT CHANGING THE NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS OF R Z 25 SIX TO REZONE FROM RI ONE TO RD9 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. ONE THE ENTRANCE TO THE SUBDIVISION SHALL BE AT THE PITTS ROAD AND SPALDING DRIVE. SIGNALIZED INTERSECTION TWO THE TWO STORMWATER FACILITIES ALONG SPARTAN DRIVE SHALL BE INSTALLED UNDERGROUND, AND THE SURFACE SHALL BE DEVELOPED AS USABLE AMENITY SPACE THREE THE NUMBER OF HOMES TO BE DEVELOPED IN THE SANDY SPRINGS PORTION SHOULD BE LIMITED TO 21. FOR NO MORE THAN THREE ADDITIONAL HOMES DEVELOPED IN THE AREA WITHIN THE CITY OF DUNWOODY 
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SHALL SHALL HAVE ACCESS TO OR FROM SPALDING DRIVE FIVE. THE AVERAGE LOT SIZE OF THE 21 PROPOSED RESIDENTIAL LOTS WITHIN THE SUBDIVISION SHALL BE NO LESS THAN 10,500FT■S, SIX PARKING OF CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES OR VEHICLES RELATED TO THE SITE DEVELOPMENT SHOULD ONLY PARK ON THE SUBJECT SITE AND SHALL NOT PARK ON SPALDING DRIVE OR PEIRCE ROAD OR ANY OTHER STREETS THAT INTERSECT WITH SPOTTING DRIVE OR PITTS ROAD. AND LASTLY, DEVELOPMENT SHOULD BE SUBSTANTIALLY SIMILAR TO THE SITE PLAN PROVIDED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU LAKITA APPRECIATE IT. WITH THAT, LET'S. I'D LIKE TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT. GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. MY NAME IS ALEX BROCK WITH SMITH GAMBRELL RUSSELL HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT, THE PROVIDENCE GROUP OF GEORGIA. JOINING ME TONIGHT I HAVE MR. CLINT WALTERS WITH THE PROVIDENCE GROUP AS WELL AS THERE ARE. I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE SEVERAL MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WISH TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THIS AS WELL, SO I'LL KEEP MY PRESENTATION BRIEF TO RESERVE TIME FOR OTHERS TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT. BUT MISS WILLIAMS DID AN EXCELLENT JOB OF GOING THROUGH THE FACTS. BUT THERE'S A FEW THINGS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO REITERATE AND POINT OUT THAT WE ARE REQUESTING A REZONING TO D NINE, WHICH IS COMMENSURATE WITH OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS, OTHER EXISTING DEVELOPMENTS IN THE AREA TODAY, NAMELY THE SPAULDING SPRING SUBDIVISION AND THE STRATFORD MANOR SUBDIVISION, WHICH ARE DIRECTLY ACROSS THE SPAULDING DRIVE FROM THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. IN ADDITION, THE CHARACTER AREA, THE PROTECTED NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER CHARACTER AREA IS DESCRIBES ITS GOAL FOR DEVELOPMENT AS LIMITED INFILL DEVELOPMENT TO RENEW HOUSING STOCK THAT IS COMPATIBLE WITH PREVAILING DENSITIES, LOT SIZES, LOT COVERAGE AND SETBACKS. AND AS YOU HEARD FROM STAFF'S PRESENTATION, WE ARE IN LINE WITH THAT GOAL. THE SITE PLAN THAT IS BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS THE CULMINATION OF A NUMBER OF MEETINGS AND DISCUSSIONS WITH THE COMMUNITY. WE HAVE MADE A NUMBER OF CHANGES FROM THE ORIGINAL SITE PLAN THAT WE SUBMITTED IN DECEMBER, CHIEFLY AMONG THOSE REVISIONS IS THE ENTRANCE DRIVE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT. IT WAS ALIGNED WITH THE SPAULDING SPRING SUBDIVISION. WHEN WE INITIALLY SUBMITTED HEARING COMMUNITY FEEDBACK, WE HAVE WENT BACK TO OUR ENGINEERS. WE CHANGED THAT ENTRANCE TO ALIGN WITH THE INTERSECTION OF PITTS ROAD AND SPAULDING DRIVE, WHICH RESOLVED A NUMBER OF CONCERNS FROM THE COMMUNITY. WITH THAT, I'LL. 
          I'LL. IN MY PRESENTATION AND KEEP IT BRIEF, BUT I WILL END ON THIS. NOTE THAT PLANNING STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS. WE ARE IN AGREEMENT WITH THOSE CONDITIONS, AND WE REQUEST THAT YOU RECOMMEND APPROVAL AS WELL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. BROCK. 
          SAM, HOW MANY SPEAKERS DO WE HAVE IN SUPPORT? WE HAVE FOUR, CHAIR. WE HAVE FOUR AND ONE IN OPPOSITION. OKAY. I WOULD JUST SUGGEST THAT YOU ENCOURAGE YOUR SUPPORTERS TO KEEP IT BRIEF. SO YOU HAVE A BIT OF TIME AT THE END TO SUMMARIZE ANYTHING YOU MAY NEED TO DO, WE'LL DO. AND I WOULD LIKE TO IF I DO NOT GET BACK UP HERE TO RESERVE ANY REMAINING TIME TO FOR REBUTTAL, OF COURSE. THANK YOU. GO AHEAD. THANK YOU. CHAIR. WE HAVE. THE FIRST PERSON IS DAVID MALAN. 
          AFTER HIM IS RHONDA SMITH. GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY. AS YOU JUST HEARD. SO I'M SORRY NAME AND ADDRESS. SORRY. DAVID MALAN REPRESENTING THE WHITE HALL COMMUNITY, ONE OF THE THREE COMMUNITIES THAT WERE PRESENTED UP THERE. 1153 WHITEHALL, WHITEHALL POINT. WE WERE IN GREAT OPPOSITION TO THIS DEVELOPMENT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE PROCESS. SO THE FIRST COMMUNITY MEETING WAS PRETTY MUCH A DISASTER. THERE WAS A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE ROOM, THERE WAS A LOT OF OPPOSITION, THERE WAS A LOT OF ISSUES, AND EVEN THE POSTURE OF THE PROVIDENCE GROUP WASN'T SO FAVORABLE. THEY HAD A MEETING THE NIGHT BEFORE SUBMITTING THE NEXT MORNING, BUT I WILL TELL YOU, TO THEIR CREDIT, MANY, MANY MEETINGS, AS WAS JUST MENTIONED, EVEN SITE WALKS, INDIVIDUAL MEETINGS, PUBLIC MEETINGS, BUT ALSO WITH AN ORGANIZING COMMITTEE THAT WE'VE WE'VE ARRANGED WITH SEVERAL OF THESE THREE NEIGHBORHOODS WHO 
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ARE ALL HERE TODAY. THEY MADE A LOT OF ACCOMMODATIONS, AND THE BIGGEST WAS MOVING TO PITTS BECAUSE THAT THAT WAS A. AND I THINK THAT'LL SOLVE SOME OTHER ISSUES THAT MELINDA WILL COVER VERY QUICKLY IN TERMS OF ENTRANCE, SEWER AND GRADING. MY COMMENT SPECIFICALLY IS ON THE BUFFER BECAUSE THAT'S A WHITEHALL COMMUNITY. WE HAVE A LONG THERE IS A A VERY SMALL SITE IN BETWEEN US, BUT THERE IS THEY'RE GOING TO BASICALLY CLEAR CUT THE ENTIRE ACREAGE. 
          THERE'S PROBABLY NO WAY AROUND THAT BECAUSE OF ALL THE GRADING. SO EVERY TREE YOU SEE THERE, WE WON'T SEE THERE. SO THAT WAS A MAJOR CONCERN FOR MANY PEOPLE, NOT JUST WHITEHALL BUT EVERYBODY. SO A BIG PART OF THIS WAS WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO PROVIDENCE GROUP AS A BUFFER PLAN. AND IT WAS JUST SHARED WITH US YESTERDAY. I'M SURE IT'S IN THE PACKET TODAY, BUT IT'S A PRETTY COMPREHENSIVE BUFFER PLAN WITH FIVE DIFFERENT VARIETIES OF OF EVERGREEN TREES ALTERNATING TWO DIFFERENT HEIGHTS DEPENDING ON THE, ON THE RETAINING WALLS. SO WALLS, FENCES AND, AND, AND PLANTINGS WAS VERY IMPORTANT. WE FEEL THAT THE PLAN THAT THEY SUBMITTED TO US YESTERDAY FOR REVIEW AND TO YOU ALL IS VERY REASONABLE. AND A VERY IMPORTANT POINT IS THAT THEY SAID THEY WOULD BE WILLING TO CONDITION. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WILL, THAT THE HOA WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF THE THE PLANTINGS, THE WALLS AND THE TREES, WHICH IS WAY BETTER, IN OUR OPINION, THAN INDIVIDUAL HOMEOWNERS, BECAUSE THAT'S A SITUATION WE HAVE AT WHITEHALL, WHICH IS A DISASTER. SO HAVING THE HOA RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY PORTION OF THE PERIMETER, FENCING, WALLS OR BUFFER IS KEY, AND THEY'VE AGREED TO DO THAT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. YOU DROPPED SOMETHING, BY THE WAY. I'M NOT SURE WHAT IT WAS. YOU WANT TO PICK UP. MY PARKING WILL BE FREE. IT'LL BE FREE. FIRST TWO HOURS ARE FREE. YES, FIRST TWO HOURS ARE FREE. GOOD EVENING, PLANNING COMMISSIONERS, MR. CHAIRMAN. RHONDA SMITH, 76, LONG ISLAND PLACE, SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE SANDY SPRINGS COUNCIL OF NEIGHBORHOODS. AND YOU'VE ALREADY HEARD A LARGE PORTION OF WHAT HAS TRANSPIRED SINCE THE DECEMBER 1ST FIRST COMMUNITY MEETING, WHEN THERE WAS GRAVE CONCERN WITH RESPECT TO THE ACCESS AND THE OVERARCHING CONCERN THAT CAME WITH THE 35 OR 40 FOLKS, MAYBE MORE, THAT WERE THERE, WAS THE TRAFFIC IN THE ENTIRE AREA FROM THE FIVE WAY INTERSECTION AT DUNWOODY CLUB, ROBERTS DRIVE, SPALDING, ALL THE WAY BACK TO CHAMBLEE DUNWOODY. AND THAT REALLY PRECIPITATED ALL OF THE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT TRAFFIC, ABOUT ACCESS. AND, YOU KNOW, THAT THERE WAS A PROJECT THAT WAS AT PITTS ROAD THAT COMPLETED LAST, I BELIEVE IT WAS JUNE. WE HAVE BEEN IN TALKS WITH OUR PUBLIC WORKS FOLKS, WITH COUNCILMAN PAULSON, TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS THAT THAT ENTIRE TRAFFIC SITUATION NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED. IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT THE ACCESS AT PITTS ROAD. IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT THE FACT THAT SPALDING SPRINGS LANE, WHO HAD HUGE CONCERNS ABOUT THAT, UNPROTECTED LEFTS AND EXISTING PROBLEMS BECAUSE OF ALL OF THIS TRAFFIC IN THAT ENTIRE AREA. ONCE THE ONE YEAR ANNIVERSARY OF THE PROJECT COMPLETION OCCURS, PUBLIC WORKS HAS COMMITTED TO DO A POSTMORTEM, COME BACK AND LOOK AT THE TRAFFIC THAT MAY HAVE BEEN MITIGATED, SEE WHAT THE VOLUME IS, AND SEE WHETHER OR NOT THERE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE TO IMPROVE THE TRAFFIC SITUATION. THE TRAFFIC COUNTS THERE, ACCORDING TO G DOT, HAVE INCREASED BY ABOUT 2000 CARS, FROM OVER 8000 TO OVER 10,000 IN THE LAST FEW YEARS. SO IT IS A SITUATION. IF YOU'VE EVER DRIVEN IT, YOU KNOW THAT THERE IS A LOT OF TRAFFIC THERE, PARTICULARLY AT PEAK TIMES. 
          DAVIS ACADEMY, AND I'M SURE YOU SAW A LARGE NUMBER OF OPPOSITION COMMENTS, AND THAT BASIS OF MOST OF THEM WAS RELATING TO THE TRAFFIC IN THE ENTIRE AREA AND WHETHER OR NOT THIS WOULD CONTRIBUTE A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF CARS. THE PROVIDENCE GROUP HAS DONE THEIR TRAFFIC STUDY AND INDICATED THAT THE 21 HOMES WOULD NOT HAVE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT, BUT THE ENTIRE AREA NEEDS TO BE RESTUDIED BY THE CITY. AND WE HAVE ASKED VERY SPECIFICALLY THAT THIS HAPPEN. I WOULD HOPE THAT YOU WOULD FIND FOR APPROVAL BASED ON ALL THE CONDITIONS AND THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN PUT BEFORE YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU RHONDA. NEXT WE HAVE MELINDA COBBS. FOLLOWING HER IS JAY MCDANIEL. HI, MY NAME IS MELINDA COBB. I AM PART OF THE SPALDING SPRINGS NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET. AS HAS BEEN STATED BY THE PREVIOUS SPEAKERS. ORIGINALLY, THE FIRST PLAN SHOWED A STREET ENTRANCE DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM OURS. OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WAS UP IN ARMS TO HAVE AN UNSAFE ENTRANCE ACROSS FROM US. WE KIND OF MAKE A BLIND LEFT. SPALDING TRAFFIC HAS INCREASED SO MUCH, AND SO THAT WAS REMEDIED BY COMING IN AT PITTS. ANOTHER ISSUE THAT WE HEAR WILL BE REMEDIED ALONG WITH THAT IS THEIR SEWER CONNECT. WE WERE TOLD THAT WHEN THE CONNECTION WAS GOING TO BE ACROSS FROM OUR ENTRANCE, THEY WERE GOING TO BE DIGGING INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, FAR INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD TO CONNECT. AND THEY'RE TELLING US NOW THAT THAT WILL BE DONE AT THE PITTS ROAD CONNECTION. SO THAT IS DEFINITELY A BETTER ALTERNATIVE. 
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I DON'T KNOW IF THAT CAN BE DONE AS A CONDITION OR HOW THAT'S WRITTEN IN, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE COUNTING ON AS PART OF THIS THAT THEY ARE, YOU KNOW, IT'S PUBLIC STREETS, BUT HOPEFULLY THAT THEY'RE NOT HAVING TO DIG OUR NEIGHBORHOOD UP TO TO CONNECT. 
          ANOTHER ISSUE WAS THE GRADING. ORIGINALLY, THEY WERE CITING ABOUT 3000 TRUCKLOADS COMING OFF, WHICH THAT AREA WITH THE TRAFFIC IS STOPPED AT MOST TIMES OF THE DAY. WE'RE UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY'RE SAYING NOW THE THE SITE IS MORE REBALANCED WITH COMING IN AT PITTS. AND WE'RE NOT EXPECTING, YOU KNOW, 3000 TRUCKLOADS COMING OFF BEING FLAGGED. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE ALL VERY SENSITIVE TO AS WELL. RHONDA JUST MENTIONED THE TRAFFIC STUDY. THE TRAFFIC HAS GONE UP ENORMOUSLY. IF YOU TAKE A LEFT OUT OF MY NEIGHBORHOOD AND TRY AND CLEAR THE FIVE WAY LIGHT, YOU MIGHT BE WAITING 15 OR 20 MINUTES TO GET THROUGH 3 OR 4 LIFE CYCLES. SO I AM IN AGREEMENT THAT THE TRAFFIC IN THAT AREA NEEDS TO BE STUDIED. 
          AND DURING ALL THE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS, THINGS NEED TO BE THOUGHTFUL ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING TO ALL THE RESIDENTS WITH WITH HOW THEY, YOU KNOW, ARE CONDUCTING THEIR CONSTRUCTION. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. I'M JAY MCDONALD, A RESIDENT OF SANDY SPRINGS, 7910 STRATFORD LANE. I'M PRESIDENT OF THE STRATFORD MANOR PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION, WHICH IS IMMEDIATELY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS PROPERTY. TWO QUICK THINGS AND I WILL YIELD MY TIME BACK. WE ARE SUPPORTIVE OF THIS. I'VE BEEN PART OF THE GROUP THAT YOU'VE HEARD ABOUT PREVIOUSLY. I WOULD JUST RE-EMPHASIZE FUTURE TRAFFIC STUDIES. THIS IS A SYSTEMIC PROBLEM, NOT A AN INDIVIDUAL DEVELOPMENT PROBLEM WITH THE FIVE WAY INTERSECTION AT ROBERTS DUNWOODY CLUB AND THE CORRESPONDING THE FIRE STATION, DAVIS ACADEMY, GOING ALL THE WAY TO THE OTHER INTERSECTIONS AT WOODLAND SCHOOL. AND IT CONTINUES TO GET GET WORSE. 
          ALSO, AS THE ATTORNEY SAID, WE ARE STRONGLY WANTING TO MAKE SURE. TO THE DEGREE YOU CAN DO THAT, I'M NOT SURE WHETHER YOU CAN THAT THE HOA OF THE NEW DEVELOPMENT NOT ONLY PLANTS, GREENERY AND APPROPRIATE SCREENING FROM THE SPALDING SIDE OF THIS. SINCE IT. WE VIEW IT FROM OUR COMMUNITY, BUT THEY ALSO REPLACE THOSE PLANTINGS OVER TIME TOO, SO THAT THE HOA IS RESPONSIBLE NOT ONLY FOR THE INITIAL PART, BUT FOR THE UPKEEP AND LONG TERM. I YIELD THE REST OF OUR TIME BACK. THANK YOU, MR. MCDONALD. HE. AND BY THE WAY, YOU LOOK FANTASTIC TONIGHT. I WANT TO GIVE YOU PROPS FOR BEING THE BEST DRESSED MAN IN THE ROOM. 
          HE ALWAYS IS. SAM, WE HAVE SOME CARDS IN OPPOSITION OR YES, WE HAVE. ONE IS IN OPPOSITION THAT CAME IN ONLINE. IT'S FOR A DON LEE. ARE THEY PRESENT? NO. OKAY. THEY'RE NOT PRESENT. OH, IT'S A SHAME. ALL RIGHT. WELL, I HOPE SHE'S NOT ON. I HOPE THEY'RE NOT ON MUTE. AND WITH THAT, WE'LL CLOSE THE. PUBLIC COMMENT PORTION OF THIS CASE AS THE TIME WAS EXPIRED. AND IF WE MIGHT HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR YOU GUYS. SO WITH THAT, I ASK IF SOMEONE HERE IS INTERESTED IN MAKING A MOTION. MR. MR. CHAIR, I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE RZ 25 SIX 1265, 1309, 1329, 1349 AND 1369 SPALDING DRIVE TO CHANGE THE TO REZONE FROM RI ONE TO D NINE TO INCLUDE STAFF RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS. THANK YOU. MR. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, SECOND BY MR. PORTER. OKAY, SO WE HAVE A MOTION DISCUSSION QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, SUGGESTIONS, THOUGHTS ANYBODY. I'VE GOT A QUESTION. SO IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ADD ABOUT. THE HOA TAKING CARE OF THE BUFFER AS A CONDITION. I BELIEVE THAT WOULD BE IN THE PERMITTING PROCESS. 
          CORRECT. I BELIEVE IT'LL KIND OF COME OUT. I BELIEVE EVERY NEW KIND OF DEVELOPMENT NEEDS 
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TO HAVE AN HOA OF SOME SORT, AND THEN THAT PROPERTY WILL PROBABLY COME OUT IN A COMMON AREA THROUGH THE PLANNING PROCESS, AND THEN THEY WILL THEN BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT AS PART OF THAT COMMON AREA OF RESPONSIBILITY. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YEAH. AND I THINK TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, I THINK THAT'S THE WAY THAT IT SHOULD AS OPPOSED TO BEING ADDED IN AS A AS AN ADDITIONAL CONDITION. THANK YOU, MR. LEEDS. SAME QUESTION ABOUT HOW DO YOU ENSURE. THE SECOND SPEAKER I THINK, MENTIONED THE TIE IN OF THE SEWER LINE AT AT THE INTERSECTION. IS THAT ALSO IN THE PERMITTING PROCESS? YES, THAT WILL HAPPEN THROUGH THE LDP PROCESS THERE. THERE WILL BE AN LDP, AND THEN EACH INDIVIDUAL LOT WILL THEN HAVE ITS OWN BUILDING PERMIT FOR EACH HOME SEPARATELY. OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? A QUICK QUESTION. 
          EVENTUALLY THIS IS PLANNED TO TO GO ACROSS INTO DUNWOODY IS THAT I BELIEVE THAT THE GOAL IS TO ALSO DO A SUBDIVISION IN DUNWOODY. AND I BELIEVE ONE OF THE CONDITIONS IS ONLY THREE OF THOSE LOTS. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY THEY'RE GOING TO GET, BUT ONLY THREE WILL BE ABLE TO CONNECT TO THIS DEVELOPMENT, WHICH I THINK HAS 21. AND THIS IS COMPLETELY SEPARATE FROM DUNWOODY SITUATION. THAT'S CORRECT. STANDALONE. I JUST HAVE NEVER IN MY 20 YEARS, I'VE NEVER SEEN ONE GO ACROSS THE LINES. AND SO IT'S JUST I WAS JUST INTERESTED. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. LAKITA ON THE ON YOUR RECOMMEND YOUR CONDITIONS. CAN YOU CAN WE PULL THAT SLIDE BACK UP? YEAH. SO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M READING THIS CORRECTLY THAT. THE, THESE HOMES AND THE POTENTIAL FOR THE THREE ADDITIONAL ONES, THAT'S THE TOTAL LIMIT FOR THIS ROAD TO ACCESS SPALDING AT THE INTERSECTION. CORRECT. THERE'S NO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NO POTENTIAL FOR THAT. WHAT IS LOOKING LIKE A CUL DE SAC IN THE DRAWING COULD BE CONTINUED. AND CONNECT TO THAT TO ROBERT'S DRIVE ON THE OTHER SIDE. THAT THAT IS THE INTENT OF THAT CONDITION. THAT'S THAT'S WHAT THAT CONDITION IS STATING. YES. OKAY. GOOD. ALL RIGHT. I HAVE NOTHING ELSE. THANK YOU CHAIR, I THINK I NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE CLARIFICATION ABOUT THE THE SEWAGE CONNECTION. THE SEWER CONNECTION. I DIDN'T HEAR HER QUESTION. SO YOUR ANSWER MAY HAVE BEEN ANSWERING A DIFFERENT QUESTION. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT CURRENTLY IT WOULD TIE THE WAY IT WAS INITIALLY PROPOSED IS THAT THEY WOULD NEED TO DIG INTO THE OTHER NEIGHBORHOOD IN ORDER TO MAKE THE CONNECTION, AND NOW THEY'RE SAYING THEY DON'T HAVE TO IMPOSE UPON THAT NEIGHBORHOOD TO DO THAT. THEY'LL BE DOING THAT ON ON PITS. IS THAT CORRECT? AND THAT DOES NOT NEED TO BE A CONDITION. I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING, AND IT DOES NOT NEED TO BE A CONDITION. AND IT DOES NOT NEED TO BE A CONDITION BECAUSE THAT. OKAY, IT WAS THAT WASN'T MAYBE THE APPLICANT, IF THEY'RE HERE, THEY CAN SPEAK TO THAT ON WHETHER THEY'RE REALLY GOING TO DO IT THAT WAY SO THAT THE RESIDENTS KNOW THEY CAN EXPECT THAT IS WHERE THAT DIGGING WILL TAKE PLACE. MR. MIKE WILLIAMS WITH THE PROVIDENCE GROUP, HE CAN SPEAK TO THAT. YEAH. MIKE SMITH, PROVIDENCE GROUP, JOHNS CREEK. 
          SO THE INTENT IS EXACTLY WHAT IT SAYS. WE HAVE MOVED OUR INTERSECTION TO THE PITTS ROAD AT THE AT THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL. WE'LL HAVE TO WE'LL HAVE TO UPDATE THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL. WE HAVE A TURN LANE THAT'S GOT TO GO IN. AND OUR WATER AND SEWER CONNECTION IS NOW INTENDED TO TAKE PLACE RIGHT THERE AT OUR ENTRANCE DRIVE. NOW, OBVIOUSLY, AS YOUR STAFF CAN TELL YOU, FULTON COUNTY CONTROLS THE SEWER. CITY OF ATLANTA CONTROLS THE WATER IN THIS AREA. SO WE WILL PROPOSE THAT WE WILL ENGINEER IT THAT WAY. WE WILL APPLY FOR IT THAT WAY. BUT 
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ULTIMATELY, THOSE JURISDICTIONS DICTATE WHETHER WE CAN OR CANNOT. SO THAT IS OUR INTENT THAT WE ARE SHOWING IT THAT WAY. WE ARE GOING TO DESIGN IT THAT WAY, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO ACCOMPLISH. BUT I JUST WANTED TO BE CLEAR THAT IF FOR SOME REASON THOSE JURISDICTIONS SAY, WELL, YOU CAN'T TIE IN HERE, WE WOULD HAVE TO COME UP WITH ANOTHER OBVIOUSLY ALTERNATIVE. BUT THAT IS THE INTENT AND THAT IS ON OUR PLAN. THANK YOU. AND SO FROM THE FROM THE CITY SIDE, IN TERMS OF PROTECTING THE RESIDENTS, UNDERSTAND THAT FULTON COUNTY AND CITY OF ATLANTA HAVE FINAL SAY. WHAT WHAT ARE OUR MEANS TO MAKE SURE THAT INTENT IS FOLLOWED THROUGH ON WITHOUT IT BEING A LIMITING CONDITION ON THEIR ABILITY TO MOVE FORWARD? HOW DO WE PROVIDE SOME PROTECTION FOR THAT? I'M NOT SURE WE CAN. YOU KNOW, WE'RE KIND OF AT THE MERCY OF FULTON COUNTY AND THE CITY OF ATLANTA. I THINK IF THERE IS A VIABLE SOLUTION, I REALLY HAVEN'T SEEN WHERE AN APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED A VIABLE SOLUTION. 
          AND THEY SAY, OH, NO, NO, NO, WE CAN'T CONNECT THERE. YOU'VE GOT TO CONNECT OVER HERE IN THIS WAY OVER HERE. USUALLY I THINK THAT THEY TRY TO REASONABLY ACCOMMODATE THE REQUESTS, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S ENGINEERED PROPERLY. AND IT AND IT DOES MAKE SENSE. IT IS CLOSE TO THE DEVELOPMENT. AND I'M NOT REALLY FORESEEING THAT AS BEING AN ISSUE. GREAT. THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MR. SMITH. THANK YOU. ONE MORE QUICK QUESTION. YES, MR. PORTER, ONE OF THE CONDITIONS IS DEVELOPMENT SHALL BE SUBSTANTIVELY SIMILAR TO THE SITE PLAN. IS THAT THE SITE PLAN THAT'S IN THE PACKAGE? YES. IT DOESN'T APPEAR TO ME THAT THAT. REFERENCES THE TURN LANE THAT MR. SMITH JUST TALKED ABOUT. THAT WILL ALL BE ADDRESSED THROUGH THE WHEN THEY GO THROUGH PERMITTING THROUGH THE LDP PROCESS. SO IF IT'S REQUIRED, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PROVIDE IT. AND I'M SORRY, I THOUGHT HE JUST SAID THEY'RE GOING TO PUT IT IN. WELL. HE SAID THEY'RE GOING TO PUT IT IN IF IT'S REQUIRED. HE'S GOING TO PUT IT IN. I DON'T KNOW IF. DID YOU. I'M NOT THAT FAMILIAR WITH IT. I KNOW ENOUGH TO BE DANGEROUS ABOUT WHAT WAS APPROVED. THERE MAY VERY WELL HAVE BEEN A TRAFFIC STUDY THAT WAS THERE A TRAFFIC STUDY DONE AND DID IT REQUIRE A TURN LANE? THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW. MY ONLY POINT HERE IS THAT IF YOU WANT TO ALLEVIATE TRAFFIC INTERNALLY, IT'S A PRETTY DARN GOOD WAY TO START. I WOULD AGREE. AND SO IF IF THEY SAID THEY'RE IN HIS PRESENTATION, THERE WILL BE ONE, BUT I DON'T. AND OUR CONDITIONS ARE THIS SITE PLAN, THE TWO KIND OF GO LIKE THIS. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. I THINK. I THINK IT WOULD BE BEST TO LET THAT BE A REVISION THAT IS MADE PRIOR TO ITS COMING FORWARD TO COUNCIL, IF THAT'S WHAT STAFF WANTS TO DO, IF THAT'S WHAT OR WE CAN MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION, WE CAN MAKE THAT TOO. IF IF MR. WANTS TO AMEND HER MOTION TO ADD THAT AS A AN ELEMENT OF IT CERTAINLY CAN. I MEAN, I, I UP TO YOU. WELL, IS THAT REALLY PART OF WHAT THIS ZONING IT'S NOT REQUEST IS I MEAN THAT'S NOT YEAH, THAT'S REALLY NOT WE'RE HERE TO WE'RE HERE TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL ON A ZONING CHANGE. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE TO DO, NOT TO SUGGEST THAT THEY BUILD REALLY NICE HOMES OR THAT THEY LANDSCAPING IN A CERTAIN WAY. 
          THAT'S THE PROCESS THAT THEY'LL GO THROUGH WHEN THE LDP IS IS DONE AND WHEN THE WHOLE PERMITTING PROCESS IS GOING. IT I, I WOULD RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE. IF YOU'RE GOING TO CONDITION SOMETHING. I MEAN, IF YOU'RE JUST DOING A ZONING CHANGE, WHY PUT ANY CONDITIONS? WELL, BECAUSE THESE SPECIFICALLY TIE INTO THE ZONING LOT SIZE, NUMBER OF LOTS. 
          ONE OF THE CONDITIONS IS THAT SUBSTANTIVELY, ACCORDING TO THE SITE PLAN THAT'S HERE. AND ALSO I WAS I WAS WONDERING WHETHER WE WANTED TO THINK THROUGH THE HOA MAINTENANCE OF THE OF THE PLANTINGS AND THE BUFFERS AND THE POST DEVELOPMENT. TRAFFIC STUDY. DO WE DO WE WANT TO 
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INCLUDE THAT? BUT IF YOU DON'T. A MOTION HAS BEEN MADE. IF MISS TAYLOR WANTS TO CHANGE HER MOTION, BY ALL MEANS SHE CAN. IF NOT, WE'RE GOING TO VOTE ON IT. I PERSONALLY FEEL THAT THIS IS. THAT'S H O A, AND TRAFFIC CONDITIONS ARE NOT PART OF THE SPECIFIC ZONING REQUESTS. ALL RIGHT. THAT BEGS THE QUESTION, THEN. A MOTION HAS BEEN MADE BY MR. KARLOVICH, SECONDED BY MR. PORTER, TO APPROVE WITH THE CONDITIONS AS STATED. ALL IN FAVOR, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT WAS. ONE, TWO, THREE OPPOSED. I MEAN, KIND OF AN AWKWARD SPOT HERE, I ACTUALLY. 
          HE SECOND THE MOTION. I SECONDED THE MOTION. BUT NOW I THINK YOU CAN VOTE AGAINST YOURSELF. I WILL I VOTED AGAINST IT AS MR. LEE. SO I BELIEVE THAT IS 3 TO 2. THE MOTION IS PASSED. ALL RIGHT SAM, WHAT'S THE NEXT CASE? OKAY, CHAIR, WE HAVE R Z DASH 20 5-7 5680 WHITNER DRIVE. ZONING MAP AMENDMENT TO REZONING FROM RE2 TO R D 27 PRESENTED BY LAQUITA WILLIAMS, OUR PLANNER TWO. THANK YOU SAM. THE NEXT CASE WE HAVE, LIKE SAM SAID IS Z 25 SEVEN. THIS IS AT 5680 WEIDNER DRIVE. STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS TO REZONE FROM RE2 TO R D 27. DO YOU HAVE IT? THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. SO THE CHARACTER AREA OF THE PARCEL IS PROTECTED NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THE ZONING IS RE242 ACRES MINIMUM LOT SIZE. AND THE IMAGE TO THE RIGHT IS AERIAL IMAGE SHOWING THE HIGHLIGHTED PARCEL. HERE IS THE SURVEY OF THE SIDE CORNER LOT. THE EXISTING SITE IS TWO ACRES AND HAS A SINGLE UNIT RESIDENTIAL RANCH STYLE HOME WITH A DRIVEWAY, A TWO CAR GARAGE, A BASEMENT AND REAR DECKS. THE PARCEL IS AT THE CORNER OF WINTER DRIVE AND MOUNT VERNON HIGHWAY, AND IS PART OF THE WINTER ESTATE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, ACCORDING TO FULTON COUNTY TAX RECORDS, THE HOME WAS BUILT IN 1974. THE CURRENT ZONING IS R 82 FOR RESIDENTIAL ESTATE, TWO ACRE MINIMUM LOT SIZE AND SITS SOUTH OF I-285 AND WEST OF GEORGIA. 400. THERE IS APPROXIMATELY 240FT OF FRONTAGE ON MOUNT VERNON HIGHWAY AND 360FT OF FRONTAGE ON WINTER DRIVE. THE PROPERTY CURRENTLY SLOPES SIGNIFICANTLY FROM THE REAR OF THE HOME TO THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY. THE ELEVATION DROPS APPROXIMATELY 50FT. HERE IS A NEIGHBORHOOD AND VICINITY ZONING MAP. THE MAJORITY OF THE PARCELS SOUTH OF MOUNT VERNON HIGHWAY ARE ZONED D 27. ALL OF THE PARCELS THAT ARE ACCESSED BY ANOTHER STREET OTHER THAN MOUNT VERNON HIGHWAY ARE ZONED R D 27, EXCEPT FOR THE SUBJECT PARCEL, ALL OF THE RE1 OR RE2 PARCELS ALONG MOUNT VERNON HIGHWAY IN THIS AREA ARE ACCESSED FROM MOUNT VERNON HIGHWAY, EXCEPT FOR THE SUBJECT PARCEL. HERE IS THE SITE PLAN SHOWING THE THREE PROPOSED LOTS. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING FOR A ZONING MAP AMENDMENT TO ALLOW THREE PARCELS TO BE CREATED ON THE EXISTING TWO PARCEL. THE PROPOSED ZONING IS R D 27 FOR 27,000FT■!S. MINIMUM LOT SIZE. 
          THE PARCELS WERE RANGED FROM APPROXIMATELY 28,000FT■S TO 29,000FT■!S. THE PROPOSED PARCES WILL ALSO MEET LOT FRONTAGE AND SETBACK REQUIREMENTS SET FORTH IN THE DEVELOPMENT CODE FOR RT 27 ZONING DESIGNATION. STAFF EVALUATED THIS REQUEST AGAINST THE CITY'S APPROVAL CRITERIA 
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FOR ZONING MAP AMENDMENTS, AND OVERALL, THE REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH THE CURRENT. 
          WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN COMPATIBLE WITH THE AREA AND SUPPORTS NEEDED HOUSING WITHOUT CHANGING THE CHARACTER. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS OF ZONING MAP AMENDMENT REQUESTS Z 25 SEVEN TO REZONE FROM RI TWO TO RD 27 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. 
          ONE ALL HOMES SHALL BE ORIENTED TO FACE WHITNEY DRIVE IN THEIR PRIMARY STREETS. SETBACKS SHALL BE PARALLEL TO WHITNEY DRIVE, TWO ALL DRIVEWAYS AND CURB CUTS SHALL BE PLACED ON WHITNEY DRIVE. NO DRIVEWAY OR CURB CUT SHALL BE PLACED ON MOUNT VERNON HIGHWAY THREE. THE DRIVEWAY CURB CUT FROM THE HOME CLOSEST TO MOUNT VERNON HIGHWAY SHALL BE PLACED AS FAR AWAY FROM THE MOUNT VERNON HIGHWAY AS PRACTICABLE. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. LUCIA. OKAY, WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR COMMENTS AND HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT. WE'LL START WITH HIM. HELLO, MR. CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS, I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME TONIGHT. MY NAME IS STOKELY WEINBERG. I AM WITH WITTNER GREEN ESTATES, WHICH IS THE PROPERTY OWNER AT 5680 WITTNER DRIVE. I PERSONALLY MY COMPANY HAS BUILT FOR OVER 20 YEARS, PRIMARILY IN SANDY SPRINGS AND BUCKHEAD. DO HIGH END LUXURY HOMES, CUSTOM AND SPEC, AND ALSO VERY ACTIVE IN THE COMMUNITY. BOYS AND GIRLS CLUBS AND LOTS OF OTHER ACTIVITIES HERE. SO IT IS IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO US TO TO BE HERE, BE IN THE COMMUNITY, WORK WITH NEIGHBORS, AND WE WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH MISS WILLIAMS AND HER TEAM ON THIS PLAN. AND I WANT TO KEEP THIS SHORT AND SWEET. YOU KNOW, WE ARE IN AGREEMENT WITH WHAT THEY'RE RECOMMENDING, INCLUDING THE CONDITIONS THAT THEY'RE RECOMMENDING. SO I'D LIKE TO RESERVE THE REST OF MY TIME, IF YOU DON'T MIND, AND WOULD OBVIOUSLY BE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. YOU BET. THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. SAM, WERE THERE ANY LETTERS? WE HAVE NONE IN SUPPORT, CHAIR, BUT WE DO HAVE FOUR IN OPPOSITION. OKAY. AND WE ALSO HAVE SOMEONE ON ONLINE AS WELL. SO THE FIRST PERSON WE'RE GOING TO CALL UP IS ASH JOSHI, FOLLOWED BY LISA EDGAR. CHAIR. I SWITCHED IPADS WITH HIM. SO NOW MINE IS CRASHING BECAUSE I USED HIS. SO I JUST WANTED TO SEE IF I CAN GET SOME TECHNICAL SUPPORT. THANK YOU. IF YOU GIVE ME A SECOND, I CAN. I HAVE ANOTHER ONE. OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. YOU'RE PILING UP ON THE THING. THANK YOU. YOU GUYS ARE IN THE BAD SERVICE. 
          END OF THE KNOW. IT'S OPERATOR ERROR FOR SURE. THANK YOU. OH, OKAY. GREAT. IT'S A LOVELY COLOR. DO YOU HAVE IT? BOTH. ARE THEY WORKING JUST AS WEBSITE? WEB PAGE CRASHED? IT MAY BE. IT MAY BE WHERE WE'RE SITTING. OPERATOR ERROR ON MY PART. DO I HAVE TO WAIT A YEAR TO GET UPGRADED TO THE LEFT SIDE OF THE DICE? APPARENTLY THE AVAILABLE SEATS TO THE RIGHT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. OKAY. WE'RE GOOD. YES. OKAY, OKAY. PLEASE. THANKS FOR YOUR PATIENCE. AND, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. MY NAME IS ASH JOSHI. I LIVE AT 5246 VERNON SPRINGS TRAIL. I'LL KEEP IT BRIEF. MY. TEN YEARS AGO, MY WIFE, KIDS AND I MOVED FROM BROOKHAVEN TO SANDY SPRINGS AND THE PRIMARY REASON WE LEFT BROOKHAVEN IS BECAUSE EVERY SINGLE TWO ACRE LOT BECAME A ONE ACRE LOT OR LESS, AND THE POPULATION DENSITY INCREASED AND THE NUMBER OF CARS INCREASED. AND ULTIMATELY WE IT WAS OUR MORNING COMMUTE WENT FROM 15 MINUTES TO 45 MINUTES. AND IT WAS ALL BECAUSE OF INDIVIDUAL CASES. THERE WAS NO MAJOR DEVELOPMENT THAT DID THIS. IT WAS JUST DEVELOPMENT BY DEVELOPMENT, BY DEVELOPMENT. 
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AND FOR THOSE OF US WHO LIVE ON NEAR OR ON MOUNT VERNON, WE'RE VERY SENSITIVE TO THE TRAFFIC BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY A BUSY PLACE. IT'S ALREADY A BUSY ROAD, ESPECIALLY DURING RUSH HOUR IN THE MORNING AND AFTERNOONS. SO WHEN WE WHEN WE DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS, WHEN YOU CONSIDER SOMETHING LIKE THIS, WHAT I HOPE YOU CONSIDER IS I HOPE YOU HAVE TO. I GUESS YOU ALWAYS HAVE TO BALANCE THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR THE PEOPLE WHO CURRENTLY LIVE IN THESE NEIGHBORHOODS VERSUS WHAT THE DEVELOPMENT IS ATTEMPTING TO DO. AND I UNDERSTAND THEIR NEEDS AND I UNDERSTAND WHY THEY'RE TRYING TO DO THIS. BUT IT NEGATIVELY, IN MANY CASES, IMPACTS THE PEOPLE WHO ALREADY CHOSEN TO LIVE IN THESE NEIGHBORHOODS BECAUSE OF THE CURRENT NEIGHBORHOOD AS IT EXISTS. AND IF WE DO THIS FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT, MY CONCERN IS WE ARE SETTING PRECEDENT. AND ONCE WE SET THAT PRECEDENT, IT WILL OCCUR OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN BECAUSE THERE'S NO METHOD TO SAY, WELL, YOURS WAS FINE, BUT YOURS IS NOT. AND AT THAT POINT YOU END UP IN COURT AND SOMEBODY'S GOING TO SAY, WELL, YOU JUST DID THE SAME THING SIX MONTHS AGO OR TWO YEARS AGO. SO I ASKED YOU TO PROCEED WITH CAUTION. WHENEVER YOU HAVE THIS KIND OF CASE IN FRONT OF YOU FOR THOSE REASONS. THANK YOU, THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU SIR. WHO IS THE NEXT ONE? AND I THINK WE HAD A LISA EDGAR THAT WAS IN THE CROWD, BUT I THINK THEY'RE NOT SPEAKING. OKAY. SO WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO DOCTOR ANDRES BEAUMARIS. I DON'T THINK SO. OH, OKAY. SO WE HAVE. ANOTHER BEAUMARIS. OKAY, SO WE HAVE A CAPLAN. ARE ANY OF THOSE PEOPLE OR ANY OF THOSE PEOPLE HERE? AND THERE'S A MISTAKE. YES. WERE YOU WERE YOU SUPPOSED TO BE ON THERE AND THEY GOT THE WRONG NAME OR. OKAY, WE NEED YOU TO COME TO THE PODIUM HERE. YOU DON'T HAVE TO SPEAK IF YOU DON'T WANT TO. I SAW YOU SHAKING YOUR HEAD A COUPLE OF TIMES. YES. THANK YOU. I'M SORRY. MY NAME IS LISA EDGAR. I LIVE AT 1095 VERNON SPRINGS COURT IN SANDY SPRINGS. AND THE PETITIONS THAT I BROUGHT OR THE NOS. THE OPPOSITIONS THAT I BROUGHT, THOSE ARE PEOPLE THAT DID OPPOSE THE PROJECT, BUT THEY COULD NOT BE HERE. BUT I ALSO WANT TO SAY THERE ARE A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WHO ARE TRAVELING AND COULD NOT COME. AND SO THEY DIDN'T WEREN'T ABLE TO FILL OUT ANY SHEETS. I'M NOT SURE A LOT OF NEIGHBORS ARE AWARE OF THIS PROJECT, BECAUSE I WASN'T AWARE UNTIL I WAS WALKING DOWN THE STREET ONE DAY, AND I NOTICED THE SIGN, NORMALLY WHEN YOU GO DOWN MOUNT VERNON, YOU'RE NOT GOING SLOW ENOUGH TO REALLY NOTICE THE SIGN. SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW THAT, BUT I'M SURE YOU DO. BUT ANYWAY, I DO OPPOSE THE PROJECT. THERE WAS A PROJECT MANY YEARS AGO. WE'VE LIVED IN OUR HOUSE SINCE 1999. THERE WAS A PROJECT ON MOUNT VERNON. STUART WAS THE BUILDER. HE DID APPLY FOR TO, FOR A TWO ACRE PROPERTY TO BE DECREASED TO ONE ACRE. SO HE WANTED TO BUILD TWO HOMES ON THE TWO ACRES. AND THERE WAS SO MUCH OPPOSITION AT THE TIME THAT HE JUST STOPPED. HE JUST DROPPED IT. SO THAT'S WHY I SAY. AND THERE USED TO BE A LADY THAT LIVED ON CREST VALLEY WHO WAS VERY GOOD ABOUT GETTING THE WORD OUT ABOUT THIS, AND SHE WOULD PASS AROUND PETITIONS AND SHE'S NO LONGER HERE. AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF ANYBODY DOES ANYTHING LIKE THAT ANYMORE. BUT ANYWAY, I THINK I'M NOT SURE REALLY IF PEOPLE ARE AWARE. SO I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT. BUT I DO OPPOSE THE PROJECT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MA'AM. OKAY, SO THAT WAS THAT WAS ALL OF THEM. THAT WAS ALL OF THEM. AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE A BETTY BLAZINA ON ONLINE. ALL RIGHT. BETTY, ARE YOU THERE? EITHER BETTY'S ON MUTE. THAT WAS THAT WAS ALL. THAT WAS ALL. I'M CHAIR. AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE A PETTY LARCENY ON ONLINE. ALL RIGHT. BETTY, ARE YOU THERE? I'M HERE AND I LIVE AT 5640, VERY NEAR THE INTERSECTION OF MOUNT VERNON HIGHWAY. AND I DEFINITELY A. WHATEVER. WAIT. 
          CONTINUE. I DON'T KNOW. IT'S LIKE SOME. THAT'S ME. HI. CAN YOU HEAR US? YES. YOU'RE ON 
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MUTE IF YOU CAN HEAR US. WE CAN HEAR. WHOEVER THAT WAS. WE CAN. WE CAN HEAR YOU. OH, OKAY. I DO OPPOSE THE CONSTRUCTION OF THOSE THREE HOMES BECAUSE OF THE TRAFFIC THAT IT WILL CAUSE. 
          PLUS THE THE WAY THE SLOPE OF THE PROPERTY IS THE LOWEST PART WOULD BE THE CLOSEST PART TO MY HOME. AND I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE DRAINAGE AND ALL OF THAT. THAT WOULD INCLUDE AND JUST WE JUST DON'T NEED ANY MORE TRAFFIC AT THAT CORNER. AND THAT'S ABOUT ALL I HAVE TO SAY. 
          THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE WITH OUR TECHNICAL CHALLENGES. SURE. SAM, IS THAT EVERYBODY? THAT IS EVERYBODY. CHAIR. MR. WEINBERG, DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK ANY MORE? YES. 
          THANK YOU. JUST ONE FINAL THOUGHT ON PAGE 11 OF THE STAFF REPORT. I THINK IT'S PRETTY IMPORTANT TO TO JUST LOOK AT THAT AGAIN. I MEAN, THAT SHOWS THE NEIGHBORHOOD ZONING MAP. 
          AND THERE WAS A REALLY IMPORTANT POINT MADE BY STAFF IN THAT REPORT. IT SAYS THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE PARCELS SOUTH OF MOUNT VERNON HIGHWAY ARE ZONED D 27. THE SUBJECT PARCEL IS LOCATED SOUTH OF MOUNT VERNON HIGHWAY, AND ALL OF THE PARCELS THAT ARE ACCESSED BY ANOTHER STREET OTHER THAN MOUNT VERNON ARE ZONED D 27, EXCEPT FOR THIS SUBJECT PARCEL. SO ANYWAY, THAT'S THAT'S ALL I HAVE. I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR TIME, AND I WOULD HOPE THAT YOU CAN SUPPORT THE PROJECT WITH THE STAFF CONDITIONS. THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WITH THAT, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PORTION FOR THIS CASE. AND I ASK IF THERE IS A MOTION TO BE MADE BY MEMBER OF THE COMMISSION. MR. CLEMENS. YES. I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE FORWARD AND APPROVE OUR C 2026 002Z2 20 5-7 5680 WHITNER DRIVE ZONING MAP AMENDMENT FROM R TWO TO D 27 WITH THE STAFF CONSIDERATIONS, THE CONDITIONS. 
          CONDITIONS. THE OTHER C WORD. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION FROM MISS CLEMENS. DO WE HAVE A SECOND SECOND, SECOND FROM MR. DISCUSSION? MR. ALVAREZ I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE DEVELOPER. 
          SO IN THE IN THE PUBLIC COMMENTS AS WELL AS ONLINE, SHE MENTIONED THE DRAINAGE. COULD YOU ADDRESS THAT CONCERN? YES, ABSOLUTELY. IT IS TRUE THAT THERE IS TOPOGRAPHY LIKE. 
          UNFORTUNATELY, MOST OF THE LOTS IN BUCKHEAD AND SANDY SPRINGS, THERE'S THERE IS SIGNIFICANT TOPOGRAPHY. AND, YOU KNOW, WHILE THERE IS LIKE A 50 FOOT DROP OVER THE ENTIRE LOT, I MEAN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OVER JUST UNDER 400FT, YOU KNOW, SO I WOULD SAY THAT IT IS SIGNIFICANT, BUT IT'S NOT ANY MORE THAN A LOT OF THE PROJECTS THAT WE WORK ON. SO, YOU KNOW, WE'LL WORK CLOSELY WITH DURING THE PERMITTING PROCESS. OBVIOUSLY THIS IS JUST FOR THE ZONING. YOU KNOW, WE UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE SUBJECT TO ALL OF THE OTHER ORDINANCES, YOU KNOW, FROM STORM MANAGEMENT AND DEVELOPMENT AND BUILDING TO. AND WE'LL HAVE TO STAY WITHIN THOSE BOUNDARIES. SO WE WE ALSO IN ALL OF OUR SITES, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO DO, BUT WE ALWAYS DO EROSION CONTROL MONITORING. THAT'S ONLY STATE MANDATED. IF YOU'RE PARTIAL, YOU'RE WORKING ON YOU'RE IMPACTING OVER ONE ACRE OF, OF WHICH WE WON'T BE ON EACH OF THESE THREE LOTS, BUT WE ALWAYS HAVE EROSION CONTROL MONITORING, WHICH MEANS WE HAVE ANOTHER COMPANY THAT COMES OUT AFTER EVERY RAINSTORM AND ONCE A WEEK TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF OUR BMPS ARE IN PLACE IN ORDER. SO WE DO TAKE THAT VERY SERIOUSLY. AND, YOU KNOW, WE'LL WE'LL MAKE SURE TO WORK CLOSELY WITH THE STAFF ON THAT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS BY ANYONE? NO. YEAH. A LOT OF CHANGE GOES ON AND I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THE OPPOSITION AND THE SUPPORT THAT PEOPLE HAVE. FAMILY, FRIENDS BUILT A HOUSE THERE IN 1955 ON WHAT WAS A 
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DIRT ROAD CALLED MOUNT VERNON AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THE WITTNER FAMILY LIVED THERE. 
          THAT WAS THEIR PROPERTY FOR FOREVER. SO. I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE CONCERNS, BUT I THINK IT'S THE RESPONSIBILITY OF STAFF THEN TO, THROUGH THE PERMITTING PROCESS, TO MITIGATE WHAT COULD BE POTENTIAL PROBLEMS, WHETHER IT'S THE THE DRAINAGE OR THE CONSTRUCTION OR THE ROAD ACCESS. AND WE APPRECIATE EVERYBODY BEING HERE. AND HOPEFULLY YOU CAN TAKE THIS MANTLE AND TAKE IT FROM YOUR FRIEND THAT USED TO GET PEOPLE ORGANIZED. AND MAYBE THAT COULD BE YOU. AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT, WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? I DON'T THINK SO. OKAY. SO MOVED. SAM, WHAT'S OUR NEXT CASE? CHAIR, THIS IS OUR LAST AND FINAL CASE HERE FOR TONIGHT. IT'S R Z DASH 20 5-8, THAT'S 5800 AND ZERO MITCHELL ROAD, NORTHWEST. A ZONING MAP AMENDMENT REZONING FOR ARE12ARD 18 PRESENTED BY LAQUITA WILLIAMS, OUR PLANNER TWO. THANK YOU SAM. LIKE SHE MENTIONED, THIS IS THE LAST CASE FOR TONIGHT. IT IS A REZONING REQUEST AT 5800 AND ZERO MITCHELL DRIVE. IT IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM RE1 AND TO D 18. STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS. THE CHARACTER AREA OF THE PARCELS IS PROTECTED NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE ZONING IS RE1 FOR ONE ACRE MINIMUM LOT SIZE AND THE AREA IMAGE IS TO THE RIGHT, HIGHLIGHTED IN BLUE. HERE IS THE SURVEY WITH THE RED LINE OUTLINING THE TWO PARCELS. 
          THE PROPERTY PROPERTIES AT 5800 AND ZERO MITCHELL ROAD ARE ZONED RE1 AND IS A TOTAL OF APPROXIMATELY 1.3 ACRES. THE PROPERTY, AT 5800 MITCHELL ROAD, IS DEVELOPED WITH A ONE STORY, RANCH STYLE SINGLE FAMILY HOME, INCLUDING A THREE CAR GARAGE AND POOL. ACCORDING TO THE FULTON COUNTY RECORDS. THE RESIDENCE WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1970, AND THE CURRENT OWNER ACQUIRED THE PROPERTY IN 2025. THE REAR ADJACENT PARCEL IS ZERO MITCHELL ROAD AND IT IS A SUBSTANDARD LAND LOCKED LOT LOCATED IMMEDIATELY NORTH OF 5800 MITCHELL ROAD. BOTH LOTS HAVE THE SAME OWNERSHIP. THE SUBJECT SITE IS SITUATED NORTH OF I-285 AND WEST OF ROSWELL ROAD. THE DRIVEWAY, AT 5800 MITCHELL ROAD, SITS ON A HILL AND BEGINS TO LEVEL OUT WHERE THE HOUSE SITS. THERE IS A. THERE IS SOME NOTICEABLE OVERGROWTH OF VEGETATION ACTUALLY. CAN YOU GO BACK ONE. ALL RIGHT, THAT LAST PIECE. OKAY. AND THE CHART ABOVE THE PROPERTIES ADJACENT TO THE WEST FRONTING LONG ISLAND DRIVE HAVE A ZONING DESIGNATION OF RD 18. 
          THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH ARE ZONED RD9, AND THE TWO PARCELS ADJACENT TO THE EAST ARE ZONED RE1 ACROSS MITCHELL ROAD TO THE SOUTH. THOSE PARCELS ARE ZONED RE1 AS WELL. NEXT SLIDE. THANK YOU. HERE IS THE PROPOSAL THAT INCLUDES TWO LOTS BOTH FRONTING MITCHELL ROAD. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A ZONING MAP AMENDMENT FOR THE SUBJECT SITE TO BE REZONED FROM R ONE TO R D 18 18,000FT■S. MINIMUM LOT SIZE TO ALLOW FOR THE CREATION OF TWO RD 18 LOTS. THE PROPOSED EASTERN PARCEL WILL BE APPROXIMATELY 26,000FT■S, AND THE WESTERN PARCEL IS PROPOSED TO BE 28,000FT■S. BOTH PARCELS WILL EXCEED THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE REQUIRED FOR RD 18 LOTS. THE PROPOSED PARCELS WILL EACH HAVE APPROXIMATELY 115FT OF FRONTAGE ON MITCHELL ROAD, EXCEEDING THE MINIMUM STANDARD OF 100FT. THE PROPOSED REZONE 
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ALLOWS FOR MORE EFFICIENT USE OF THE PARCEL OF THE PROPERTY, WHILE REMAINING CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE DEVELOPMENT CODE. IT MAINTAINS. THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER, SUPPORTS LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, AND DOES NOT CREATE ADVERSE IMPACTS ON SURROUNDING PROPERTIES, PUBLIC SERVICES, OR THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL FOR Z 25 EIGHT TO REZONE FROM R ONE TO RD 18 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. ONE THERE IS A MAXIMUM OF TWO RESIDENTIAL LOTS THAT CAN BE SUBDIVIDED AT THE COMBINED TAX PARCELS, AND TWO THE PROPERTY OWNER SHALL ENSURE COMPLIANCE WITH PLANNED CITY PROJECTS, INCLUDING THE DEDICATION OF ANY REQUIRED RIGHTS OF WAY OR EASEMENTS, AND THAT THE VERBIAGE BE INCLUDED IN ANY PLAT FOR THE PROPERTY. THANKS. TURN MY MIC OFF. THAT'S IT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. WE'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF THIS CASE. HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT FIRST. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS CHRIS AND I'M WITH PERMITTABLE. WE AUTOMATE BUILDING PERMITS FOR RESIDENTIAL LUXURY BUILDERS HERE IN SANDY SPRINGS AND ACROSS THE METRO AREA. SO HAPPY TO BE HERE TONIGHT. I GREW UP IN SANDY SPRINGS. MY KIDS GO TO HOLY INNOCENTS. WE ALSO GO TO CHURCH THERE. SO WE'RE A PART OF THIS COMMUNITY IN FABRIC AND I'M PLEASED TO BE REPRESENTING THE HOMEOWNER, THE PROPERTY OWNER FOR 5800, MITCHELL LAQUITA HAS BEEN VERY GRACIOUS TO WORK WITH. GIVE HER KUDOS AS WELL FOR THE WORK SHE'S DONE TO HELP US THROUGH THIS PROCESS. SO CHAIR COMMISSIONERS, WE REALLY HAVE NOT MUCH TO ADD FROM WHAT LAQUITA HAS DONE. AND JUST TO SAY THAT THIS IS IN LINE WITH THE NEXT TEN IN STAYING, THAT WE KEEP IT LOW DENSITY HOUSING IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A MODEST INFILL TO MAKE SURE THAT YOUNG WORKING FAMILIES HAVE THE APPROPRIATE HOUSING STOCK WITHIN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD TO RAISE THEIR FAMILIES. AS YOU SAW UP ON THE BOARD, RIGHT? THIS HOUSE IS IS OLD, THE STOCK IS DILAPIDATED. WE'RE ABLE TO IMPROVE NOT ONLY THE CHARACTER OF THE COMMUNITY BY CLEANING UP THE LOT, BUT ALSO BY IMPROVING THAT HOUSING STOCK. WE TAKE IT VERY SERIOUSLY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE LISTEN TO THE COMMUNITY. WE HAVE BEEN ACTIVE WITHIN THE TWO COMMUNITY MEETINGS AND RESPONSIVE TO THEIR REQUESTS AS A. FOR EXAMPLE, ONE COMMUNITY MEMBER BROUGHT UP THAT THE LOT WAS OVERGROWN. SO WE GOT OUT, LANDSCAPING CREW CLEANED IT UP, SHOWING VALUE TO THAT COMMUNITY ALREADY. ALL IN ALL, I'LL STOP THERE. WE DO HAVE SOME LETTERS THAT I DON'T BELIEVE THEY HAVE MADE IT INTO THE THE FILE YET, BUT I DO HAVE THEM HERE AND WE'LL BE SUBMITTING THOSE INTO. THERE ARE TEN LETTERS FROM NEIGHBORS WHO ARE SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THIS REZONING APPLICATION, AND WE DO HAVE A MEMBER HERE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S WILLING TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THIS REZONE AS WELL. SO I'LL YIELD MY TIME, AND I'LL COME BACK UP IF THERE'S ANY REBUTTALS. THANK YOU SIR. DO WE HAVE A LETTER THERE, SAM? ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE ONE THAT'S IN SUPPORT. OKAY. AND THAT WILL BE LAUREN. EDWIN. HI, I'M LAUREN GODWIN. I'M AT 5815 MITCHELL ROAD. AND THIS WOULD JUST GREATLY INCREASE THE THE LIVABILITY OF WHAT'S THERE RIGHT NOW. IT'LL HELP INCREASE PROPERTY VALUE, BUT ALSO PROVIDE, YOU KNOW, FAMILY HOUSING FOR YOUNG FAMILIES LIKE MYSELF. AND SO THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF IMPROVING WHAT IS THERE RIGHT NOW. GREAT. THANK YOU. WELCOME. 
          THAT CONCLUDES ALL OUR COMMENT CARDS. OKAY, GREAT. I DON'T KNOW IF I'M GOING TO PRONOUNCE THIS RIGHT. I WROTE PRODUCE CLOSE. OKAY. WELL, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADD ANYTHING IN YOUR TIME THAT YOU HAVE REMAINING? NO, I'M. NO NO NO CHAIR. I'M FINE. IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM. OKAY. AND HOW DID IT HOW BADLY DID I BUTCHER YOUR NAME? NO, IT'S. 
          YEAH, I'VE GOTTEN THEM ALL. PROTOZOA PRODUCE PROTOTYPE. IT IS PROTOSS. PROTOSS. YES. WOW. 
          THAT'S MY FAULT, AS I'VE BEEN KNOWN TO DO BEFORE. SO THERE WE GO. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ONCE AGAIN, I APOLOGIZE TO PEOPLE CURRENT AND PAST WHOSE NAMES I BUTCHERED. THANK YOU SIR. AND 
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WITH THAT, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PORTION OF THIS CASE. AND I LOOK TO THE COMMISSIONERS TO SEE IF SOMEONE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION. MR. LEEDS, MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE 2026 0003 REZONING R Z 25 8800 AND ZERO MITCHELL ROAD, NORTHWEST. ZONING MAP AMENDMENT REZONING FROM RE1 TO R D 18. WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE. MR. LEE, DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND BY MISS CONKLIN. ALL RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? FRIENDLY ADDITIONS TO ADD ACCORDING TO STAFF CONDITIONS TO THE MOTION. YOU MAY DISCUSS THAT. IF I JUST DIDN'T KNOW. 
          YEAH, STEVE WANTED TO DO THAT I MAKE. WELL LET'S SEE WHAT TWO TO THE EXTENT THAT'S REQUIRED. 
          I'M SORRY. I THOUGHT IT WAS PART AND PARCEL OF THE REZONING, BUT IF IT'S NOT, IT THAT WOULD INCLUDE THE CONDITIONS SET OUT BY STAFF. SO NOTED. THANK YOU. MR. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? I HAVE ONE QUESTION, NIKITA, ON THIS. THESE ARE 2RE1 LOTS, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. 
          AND THE REASON WHY WE HAVE TO REALLY REZONE THIS IS BECAUSE OF THE FRONTAGE ISSUE TO PUT TWO HOUSES ON THERE I. YES. YES. BECAUSE AND THEN IT'S LANDLOCKED. SO THERE'S NO ACCESS TO THE SECOND ONE. SO IT'S IT'S RECONFIGURING BUT. RIGHT. I REALIZE THAT BUT BUT IN ORDER TO PUT TWO LOTS ON THAT, UNLESS YOU WERE GOING TO PUT SOME SORT OF SHARED DRIVEWAY, YOU'D HAVE TO SEPARATE IT AS IT'S DONE LIKE THIS, CORRECT? YES. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I HAVE NOTHING ELSE. SO WE HAVE A MOTION I BELIEVE WAS MADE BY MR. LEEDS, AND I THINK IT WAS SECONDED BY MISS CONKLIN TO APPROVE WITH THE CONDITIONS AS OUTLINED BY STAFF. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE, I BELIEVE THAT'S UNANIMOUS. SO MOVED. ALL RIGHT. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT ONGOING 
          [VII. Ongoing Business ]
BUSINESS, BUT I DO WANT TO ADDRESS ONE THING, AND THAT IS, I WAS CONCERNED BY WHATEVER THE LADY'S NAME WAS. LINDA, ABOUT. GENERAL LACK OF AWARENESS. AND I KNOW THAT WE HAVE A QUITE AN EXTENSIVE PROCESS THAT WE GO THROUGH, INCLUDING A REALLY, REALLY BIG SIGN. OKAY. THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN RIGHT THERE ON MOUNT VERNON. BUT WE ALSO, THERE WAS A TIME, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS STILL THE PROCESS OR IF SOMEBODY CAN MAKE SURE THAT THE PROCESS OF COMMUNICATION TO RESIDENTS WITHIN THE CERTAIN THING THAT USED TO BE A MAILER WENT TO THEM, SOME SORT OF ANNOUNCEMENT. YEAH, THAT'S STILL THAT'S STILL A REQUIREMENT PER THE ZONING PROCEDURE LAW. SO WE MAKE SURE EVERY CASE. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? SO YEAH, THE ZONING PROCEDURE LAW REQUIRES MAILERS AND A NEWSPAPER AD, WHICH WE DO. AND THEN OUR CODE REQUIRES A SIGN AND ALSO TO BE POSTED ON THE WEBSITE, WHICH WE ALSO DO. OKAY. AND THOSE SIGN IS EIGHT FEET BY FOUR FEET. YEAH, 32FT■S SIGN. WHERE DID YOU SAY O SIGN IS EIGHT FEET BY FOUR FEET. OH, IT'S BIG. HUGE SIGN. IT'S HARD TO MISS. AND I KNOW YOU. I KNOW YOU MENTIONED BEFORE THERE WAS A CERTAIN RADIUS MILEAGE FOR THE PEOPLE WHO RECEIVED THE MAILING, CORRECT? YES. 500FT WITHIN 500FT OF WHERE. AND THAT IS CITY STATUTE OR FULTON COUNTY. FULTON COUNTY. OKAY. 
          SURE. I WANT TO ADD SOMETHING TO THAT. I MENTIONED THIS, I THINK, AT OUR RETREAT THAT IT WOULD. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE SIGNS FOR THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS LARGER. I BELIEVE THAT LARGE REZONING SIGN IS ONLY POSTED IN CONNECTION WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THEN THE CITY COUNCIL, AND THAT THE NOTIFICATIONS FOR COMMUNITY MEETINGS ARE ACTUALLY MUCH SMALLER SIZE. AND I THINK THAT CALLING FOR LARGER SIZE SIGN FOR THE COMMUNITY MEETING COULD FURTHER ENHANCE PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT. WHAT ARE THOSE SIGHS? DO WE KNOW THOSE ARE THREE BY THREE. THEY ARE MUCH SMALLER, ARE SMALLER. I, I GUESS WITH STAFF AND LEGAL WE CAN TAKE A LOOK INTO CHANGING THAT. I MEAN, IT'S BEEN IT'S BEEN NOTED. AND LET'S MAKE SURE IT'S IN THE, IN THIS ONGOING BUSINESS SECTION OF, OF OUR REPORT. YEAH. WAS THERE ANY 
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OTHER ONGOING BUSINESS, MICHELLE, THAT YOU KNOW OF? OH, STEVE, YOU HAD SOME. WELL, I, I WANTED TO COMMENT, IF I MAY, IF IT'S APPROPRIATE WITH RESPECT TO MY NEGATIVE VOTE ON THE SPAULDING MATTER. WHEN WE TALK ABOUT WHAT CONDITIONS ARE APPROPRIATE, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT ITEMS THAT HAVE BEEN PROMISED. AND AS A RESULT OF THOSE PROMISES, THE OPPOSITION HAS SAID, OKAY, WE LIKE THIS PLAN THAT WE SHOULD TO THE EXTENT THAT IT'S WITHIN OUR LEGAL ABILITY, MAKE THOSE CONDITIONS OF THE REZONING, BECAUSE THERE IS A RELIANCE BY THE COMMUNITY THAT THOSE THINGS WOULD BE DONE. THAT GOES, I THINK, CLEARLY TO MR. PORTER'S COMMENT ON THE TURN LANE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT AUTHORITY THE CITY HAS IN CONNECTION WITH THE H O A MAINTENANCE REQUIREMENT, BECAUSE THAT'S ACTUALLY SOMETHING THAT WOULD ONLY APPEAR. AT THE TIME THAT THE DECLARATION CREATING THE ASSOCIATION IS FILED, AND THAT MAY BE SOMETHING TO DISCUSS SEPARATELY. BUT MY WHAT GOT MY NEGATIVE VOTE WAS WHERE MR. PORTER WAS GOING. IT WAS SOMETHING THAT SOME NUMBER OF PEOPLE WERE RELYING ON. AND MY VIEW THAT WE SHOULD TRY AND DO WHATEVER WE CAN TO MAKE SURE THAT'S A CONDITION UNDERSTOOD. 
          I THINK IN THIS CASE, IN THESE CASES, THEY HAVE MADE THAT COMMITMENT TO STAFF AS WELL. I MEAN, THAT THERE'S THERE'S DOCUMENTED WRITINGS TO STAFF THAT THEY WILL DO THIS. SO WHEN WHEN THE PERMITTING PROCESS COMES THROUGH THAT I WOULD ASSUME THAT THAT COMMITMENT WILL BE IN THE PERMIT REQUIREMENT, THOSE THINGS THAT THEY'VE PROMISED TO DO. 
          ASSUMING BACK TO WHAT YOU SAID ORIGINALLY, WHICH FULTON COUNTY OR CITY OF ATLANTA WHO USURPS OUR POWER DOESN'T USURP OUR POWER. SO IF IF THE PUBLIC WANTS A TURN LANE AND WE MAKE IT A CONDITION AND THE TRAFFIC STUDY DOESN'T WARRANT IT. I'M NOT SURE I WOULD HAVE THE SUPPORT OF THE PUBLIC WORKS AND OF, YOU KNOW, THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT TO SAY, WELL, NOW WE'RE GOING TO FORCE THEM TO GO AHEAD AND PUT IN A TURN LANE WHEN WHEN ALL OF THE EXTERNAL CONSULTANTS SAY IT'S NOT WARRANTED, YOU DON'T NEED IT, DON'T PUT IT IN. I DON'T KNOW THAT IT IF YOU'RE FOLLOWING WHAT I'M SAYING, IF, IF, IF OUR SUPREME GUIDANCE IS TELLING US NO, THEN HOW WOULD I YOU KNOW, I WOULD THEN HAVE TO CONTRADICT IT IF IF THEY WERE IN THEIR INFINITE WISDOM, THOUGHT IT WAS DEFINITELY NEEDED AND WOULD HELP. BUT FOR SOME REASON, MAYBE SOME TRAFFIC GURU LOOKS AT IT AND HE SAYS, OH NO, THAT WOULD NEVER WORK THERE BECAUSE OF X, Y, AND Z. I DON'T, YOU KNOW, I WOULD BE AFRAID OF A SITUATION LIKE THAT HAPPENING. 
          BECAUSE WHEN I ASKED HIM IF THE TRAFFIC STUDY WAS DONE, HE HAD INDICATED THAT HE DIDN'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION YET. SO I'M, I'M A LITTLE HESITANT TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT BECAUSE I'M NOT THAT EXPERT. I CAN'T. WELL, THE BUT THE DIFFICULTY WITH THE TURN LANE IS THAT THE ENTRANCE IS SO FAR TOWARDS THE PROPERTY EDGE. THE DECELERATION LANE ON THAT SIDE WOULD BE INEFFECTIVE, OR YOU'D HAVE TO GO ON TO SOMEONE ELSE'S PROPERTY THAT THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED TO. THE LANE THAT I THINK HE WAS TALKING ABOUT IS, IS TAKING A RIGHT OUT OF OUT OF THAT ONTO SPAULDING. YOU COULD HAVE A, A LONG LANE THAT COULD ACTUALLY STACK CARS COMING OUT OF IT. 
          AND IT WOULD, IT WOULD HELP HELP. I JUST, I JUST BROUGHT UP BECAUSE THE MAN SAID IT AND I, I'M KIND OF OF THE MIND THAT IF, IF YOU'RE SAYING THINGS IN PUBLIC FORUMS WITH THE IDEA THAT THIS IS A VALUABLE THING TO SAY TO GET APPROVAL, THEN YOU OUGHT TO PUT IT DOWN. I HAVE A QUESTION JUST SO STILL VERY NEW, I THINK THROUGH IT. SO KIND OF GOES BACK TO THE QUESTION I HAD BEFORE, BUT IN A SITUATION LIKE THIS WHERE WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE THINGS THAT 
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HAVE BEEN STATED. THAT THEY HAVE THE INTENT TO DO SOMETHING, WOULD IT THEN? BUT THERE HASN'T BEEN A STUDY OR THERE HASN'T BEEN THE PERMITTING PROCESS OR WHATEVER IT NEEDS TO HAPPEN. 
          BUT THE RESIDENTS, THE PUBLIC ARE EXPECTING IT TO HAPPEN. WOULD IT THEN BE APPROPRIATE TO DELAY THE CASE AND NOT TAKE A VOTE? SHOULD WE, OR WOULD IT HAVE BEEN MORE APPROPRIATE TO SAY, WELL, LET'S WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO GET THE TRAFFIC STUDY DONE SO THAT WE CAN THEN SEE WHETHER THERE IS A YES OR NO OR FEASIBILITY TO GET THAT INTO THE RECOMMENDATIONS. WHY? WHY MOVE FORWARD WITH THE VOTE? OR WHAT IS THE OTHER REMEDY IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT. 
          WHAT IS OUR REMEDY? WELL, THE HOPE AND THE PLAN, I SHOULDN'T SAY HOPE. THE PLAN IS THAT ALL OF THESE DOCUMENTS ARE PREPARED. THEY'RE READY. THEY'RE HERE. SOMETIMES THE TIMELINE DOESN'T WORK OUT, BUT THOSE IF I IF WILLIAM, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THAT'S NOT PART OF THE LEGAL REQUIREMENT IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE TO HAVE THE TRAFFIC STUDY COMPLETED AND AVAILABLE PRIOR TO THIS MEETING WAS NOT A IS NOT A LEGAL REQUIREMENT. PLANNING MIGHT BE ABLE TO TELL ME, BUT DOESN'T OUR CODE POINT OUT THE SPECIFIC TIMES WHEN A TRAFFIC STUDY IS REQUIRED, RIGHT WHEN IT WHEN THE PROJECT, I THINK GENERATES MORE THAN I THINK. I THINK THE NUMBER IS LIKE 100 ADDITIONAL TRIPS, AND I'M NOT SURE THAT THIS PARTICULAR SUBDIVISION MEETS THAT THRESHOLD. HOWEVER, THAT BEING SAID, THERE WERE OTHER ELEMENTS OF THE DEVELOPMENT, LIKE PUTTING IT AT THAT INTERSECTION AND WANTING THERE TO BE, YOU KNOW, THAT LIGHT THERE AND, AND MAKING IT ALL CONNECT UP THERE. SO THERE WERE SOME THERE ARE LIKE MANY TRAFFIC STUDIES DONE, YOU KNOW, LIKE WHAT ARE THE IMPACTS OVER HERE AT THIS INTERSECTION AND WHAT ARE THE IMPACTS OVER HERE? IT MIGHT NOT BE A FULL BLOWN TRAFFIC STUDY, BUT IT'S AS PER OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER WHO WORKS FOR OUR DEPARTMENT WHO REVIEWS THE PLAN, HE, HE DETERMINES, YOU KNOW, WHERE THOSE, YOU KNOW, WHERE THEY NEED TO LOOK FOR THE IMPACTS AND, AND THEN WHAT, WHAT IS THE MITIGATION? IF THERE'S ANYTHING NEEDED, I CAN REMEMBER BEFORE I STARTED HERE, THERE WAS A, I THINK A DRY FOR A PROJECT IN THE PERIMETER AND THEY REQUIRED A TRAFFIC SIGNAL BE INSTALLED. TO THIS DAY, THAT TRAFFIC SIGNAL HAS NOT BEEN INSTALLED BECAUSE. THEY HAVEN'T DETERMINED THAT THERE'S ENOUGH TRAFFIC OR THERE AREN'T ENOUGH OF, OF THE OTHER ELEMENTS THAT THEY WERE TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION, IMPLEMENTED YET TO WARRANT THE INSTALLATION OF THAT LIGHT. SO, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, BEST LAID PLANS THAT JUST BECAUSE THE STUDY ASKS FOR IT AND IT'S PART OF A D R I OR IT'S PART OF A CONDITION OF ZONING, THE ACTUAL ON THE GROUND CONDITIONS MAY CHANGE THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THAT TOOL. IF THAT TOOL MIGHT CHANGE AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE TO HAVE ANOTHER METHODOLOGY WORK BETTER, THEY MIGHT IMPLEMENT THAT IN LIEU OF, SAY, A TURN LANE TO IMPROVE THE THE WAY THE TRAFFIC FLOWS THROUGH THE INTERSECTION. SO I DON'T THINK IT'S THAT UNCOMMON, BUT IT HAPPENS. SO I GUESS IT TAKES ME BACK TO MY QUESTION OF IN THAT SITUATION LIKE THAT, WHERE WE FEEL LIKE WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION OR THERE ARE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN PROMISED, LIKE, FOR INSTANCE, MOVING THE ENTRANCE TO THE PITS WAS A PROMISE MADE BY THE DEVELOPER THAT WAS NOT MANDATED THROUGH ZONING OR THROUGH PERMITTING, BUT THAT ENDED UP BEING A PART OF THE PLAN AND A PART OF CONDITIONS FOR BUILDING THE PROJECT. SO THERE WERE OTHER THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN PROMISED BY THE DEVELOPER TO THE TO THE RESIDENTS OF THE AREA THAT WERE NOT ALSO STILL WERE NOT INCLUDED, BUT THEY WERE SAYING TO US, REALLY HOPE THAT CAN BE INCLUDED IN SOME WAY, RIGHT? WHAT IS THE REMEDY IS THE QUESTION WHEN THAT HAPPENS, DO WE. SO I THINK WITH WHAT DO WE. YES, I MEAN, I GUESS VOTE AGAINST IT, BUT I GUESS WHAT I WAS HEARING WAS, HEY, WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONTROL OVER THIS, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE IS SOME CONTROL. WE HAVE SOME. SO IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE, WE, WE TRY NOT TO HAVE THEM TOTALLY ENGINEER THE 
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PROJECT BECAUSE IT'S A REALLY BIG EXPENSE FOR THEM TO TAKE ON IF THEY GET DENIED. SO WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR FOR FULL BLOWN ENGINEERING. WE'RE ASKING FOR A REASONABLE EXPECTATION THAT THAT IT CAN MEET OUR CODE. AND THEN WE GO THROUGH WITH A FINE TOOTH COMB WHEN THEY ACTUALLY COME IN FOR PERMITTING. BUT SINCE WE'RE LOOKING AT A SPECIFIC SITE PLAN, LIKE ANDY HAD MENTIONED, IF THEY CHANGED FROM MEETING AT PITTS AND SPAULDING AND THEY WANTED TO COME BACK AT THE OTHER ENTRANCE LIKE THEY HAD IN THE BEGINNING, TO ME, THAT WOULD NOT BE IN SUBSTANTIAL CONFORMANCE WITH THE APPROVED DOCUMENT, AND I WOULD MAKE THEM COME BACK. I WOULD SAY, NOPE, YOU NOW, NOW YOU NEED TO COME BACK AND TELL EVERYBODY, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY NEED TO REDO THE THEIR SITE PLAN AND GET IT APPROVED BY COUNCIL AND BY YOU ALL. I THINK, I THINK WHAT WAS IN PART SAYING IS THAT. WE'RE CREATING A GENERAL FRAMEWORK AND THEN THAT THE THE DETAILS, THE HARD WORK REALLY STARTS IN SOME WAYS AFTER APPROVAL. I MEAN, THAT'S WHEN THAT'S WHEN THE REAL THE PERMITTING, THE LDP, THE PERMITTING AND ALL THAT GOES INTO PLACE. AND THAT'S WHERE THE HEAVY DUTY DETAILS COME IN. I'M SURE THESE PEOPLE HAVE ENGINEERED A LOT OF THAT ALREADY, BUT I THINK THAT'S A GOOD POINT THERE IS THAT SOME OF THAT DETAIL IS IT'S UNDERSTOOD AS BUILDERS WHAT THEY WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO NEED TO DO, BUT THEY HAVEN'T DONE SOME OF THAT YET BECAUSE HEY, IF IT GETS DENIED, YOU KNOW. 
          RIGHT. AND SOMETIMES, SOMETIMES WE'LL GO THROUGH THIS WHOLE PROCESS, THEY'LL SAY, YOU KNOW, MAXIMUM OF 21 LOTS AND, AND AFTER THEY'RE DONE, YOU KNOW, ENGINEERING THE WHOLE THING, THEY CAN, THEY FIGURE OUT THEY CAN ONLY GET 19. AND THAT'S WHAT THEY GET. WE THEY'RE NOT GUARANTEED. 21. RIGHT. AND MAYBE THERE'S A WAY TO SIGNAL BECAUSE WE ARE A RECOMMENDING BODY AS OPPOSED TO A PURE VOTING BODY. THAT'S A POOR CHOICE OF WORDS TO REFLECT THAT. 
          THE, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY JUST LOOKS AT A CURSORY A32 VOTE, THEY'LL THINK, OH, THAT WAS CLOSE. THAT WAS A THAT WAS. BUT IT WASN'T REALLY CLOSE TO IT. BUT THERE WERE NO THERE'S THERE'S NOT A LOT OF CHOICE IF YOU WANT TO MAKE A STRONGER RECOMMENDATION. AND MAYBE THAT COMES IN THE MINUTES, MAYBE THAT COMES IN SOMEWHERE WHERE WE TELL THE COUNCIL THAT THE THREE TWO VOTE WAS A WAS A REFLECTION OF CERTAIN MEMBERS WANTING A MORE EXPANSIVE LIST OF RECOMMENDATIONS. AND THE OTHER FOLKS ON THE COUNCIL CHOSE NOT TO GO IN THAT DIRECTION, AND WHICH IS WAS NOT NECESSARILY REFLECTIVE OF WHETHER I LIKED THE PROJECT OR NOT. WE CAN WE CAN CERTAINLY INDICATE THAT THE DISSENTS WERE FOR A CERTAIN REASON. AND MAYBE THAT'S A WAY THAT WITH A MORE IN-DEPTH VOTE THAT GETS BY YOUR SITUATION OF, YOU KNOW, WELL, THERE'S ALSO I'M NOT MUCH ON DEFERRING THINGS. I LIKE THE VOTE AND GO AND BUT SO IF YOU CAN HAVE A SECTION IN THERE THAT SAYS THIS VOTE WAS REFLECTIVE OF, OF CERTAIN MEMBERS WANTING A MORE EXPANSIVE LIST OF CONDITIONS AND WHICH THE OTHER PEOPLE ON THE COUNCIL CHOSE NOT TO TO. AND AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE THAT THOSE CONDITIONS WEREN'T THINGS THAT WE JUST MADE UP. THEY WERE THINGS THAT WERE WERE TOLD AND THAT RESIDENTS IN THE AREA THAT WERE ORIGINALLY OPPOSED WERE RELYING ON. CORRECT. THAT GOT THEM TO CHANGE TO BE SUPPORTERS. WELL, I THINK AS GINGER POINTED OUT, IT WILL BE IN THE NOTES. 
          IT'S ALREADY IN THE RECORDINGS, AND I KNOW THEY LISTEN TO THEM THOROUGHLY, BUT I WOULD ALSO ENCOURAGE PICK UP THE PHONE CALL AND THAT WAS SPALDING WOODS, RIGHT. CALL JOHN PAULSON AND AND VOICE YOUR CONCERN WITH HIM. THAT'S HIS DISTRICT. THAT'S, YOU KNOW, HE'S THE GUY THAT'S FOCUSED ON THAT. MAY I JUST MAY I JUST SAY WHAT I HEARD FROM RHONDA SMITH WAS THAT JOHN HAD AGREED TO DO TO LEAD A TRAFFIC STUDY FOR THE WHOLE AREA, NOT JUST FOR A TURN LANE FOR THAT CORRECT RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY. SO TO GINGER'S POINT, THAT WHOLE INTERSECTION COULD BE COMPLETELY CHANGED WHERE IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE FOR A TURN LANE. 
          OR MAYBE YOU NEED MULTIPLE TURN LANES, I DON'T KNOW, BUT I JUST FELT LIKE THAT WASN'T PART OF THE ZONING SPECIFIC REQUEST. GOT IT. ALL RIGHT. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS ONGOING BUSINESS, 
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BUT WE WERE ONGOING WITH IT. SO WE WENT WE WENT ONGOING WITH IT. ANY NEW BUSINESS, MICHELLE? 
          [VIII. New Business ]
WELL, IF IT'S NEW OR ONGOING, BUT JUST WANT TO RECOGNIZE THAT ELIZABETH KELLY RESIGNED FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION, AND WE ARE WAITING FOR THE APPOINTMENT OF A NEW PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBER. CORRECT? YEAH. OUR THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS ARE WITH ELIZABETH. SHE'S GOING THROUGH A LOT OF STUFF RIGHT NOW. ALSO. SORRY. GO AHEAD. YEAH. SO THANKS TO ALL WHO ATTENDED OUR RETREAT BACK ON MARCH 20TH. MOST OF YOU WERE THERE. REID. SORRY YOU MISSED A GOOD MEETING. 
          SO LET'S IMPEACH HIM. IF THAT WERE THE CASE, I'D BE THE MOST IMPEACHED CHAIR OF ALL TIME. 
          BUT I GUESS THE GOOD NEWS IS, YOU KNOW, REID WAS ANNOUNCED AS ONE OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEMBERS. OH. VERY NICE. SO WE'LL BE MAKE US PROUD. THANK YOU. WELL, I JUST WANT TO LISTEN TO WHAT YOU SAY. RIGHT. I'LL JUST GO ON. YES. THANK YOU. AND I GUESS THAT'S NEW BUSINESS. OKAY. ANY OTHER NEW BUSINESS? WE WILL HAVE A MEETING NEXT MONTH. YOU THINK? NO. NO MEETING IN. I KNOW WE COULD BE WRONG, BUT. YEAH, NO MEETING IN MAY. THAT TIMELINE HAS HAS GONE BY AND MAYBE NOT JUNE, BUT WE'LL SEE. MOST LIKELY JULY. OKAY. AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANTED TO MENTION THE COMP PLAN KICKOFF AND MAYBE WE'LL MEET BI MONTHLY. WELL, YEAH. SO THE COMP PLAN WAS KICKED OFF YESTERDAY ALONG WITH THE NAMING OF THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEMBERS. AND SO STAY TUNED FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON THAT. OKAY. 
          ANYTHING ELSE? ANYBODY? SOMEONE MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN. MR. PORTER, YOU LOOK LIKE YOU'RE READY TO GO. I'M WAY OVER MY PARKING. I'LL PROBABLY FIND A ANOTHER DAMN TICKET. I HEREBY MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN THE MEETING, SECONDED BY MR.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.