[00:00:01] ONE DOWN. THE SECOND ITEM IS A THE WORK SESSION FOR TONIGHT. AND I WANT TO START WITH THE [I. 2026 Sandy Springs Citizens Leadership Academy Graduation ] FIRST ITEM ON THE WORK SESSION, WHICH IS A RECOGNITION OF THE 2026 SANDY SPRINGS CITIZENS LEADERSHIP ACADEMY GRADUATION. THIS IS THE THIRD CLASS. I THINK IT'S THE THIRD CLASS. WE HAD DINNER WITH. THESE FOLKS ARE ABOUT A WEEK AGO AND EVERYBODY'S EXCITED AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO HEARING MORE ABOUT IT, IF YOU WOULD. IF YOU'RE HERE WHEN I CALL YOUR NAME, WOULD YOU PLEASE COME DOWN TO THE FRONT AND STAND BY THE PODIUM HERE BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO TAKE EVERYBODY'S PICTURE WHEN WE'RE DONE. SO WITH THAT SALIH BULUS AND THE GYM BULLETS, PLEASE COME FORWARD. BILL CALLEN. COME FORWARD. SHARI COLLINS, RILEY COOPER, STACEY FIALKO, KATE. FORD. KATE. FLOYD. MICHAEL GUNDY, STEPHEN HICKEY. VIVEKA. JULIUS. JOHNSON, STEVEN. KAPLAN, BRENDAN. LIU, JUSTIN. MAJORS. RISA. RISA. MATTHEW. KIM. MCNAMARA. NICOLE. MOTAHARI. LESLIE. MULLIS, MARGOT. PARR, FRANK. ROBERTS, AND FRANCO, AND JANICE ROBERTS. PAM ROSENTHAL, VLADIMIR SHKLOVSKY, SABINA SIMS. JAMES BOGGS, JAMES SOGS, SORRY, MICHELLE SULLIVAN, PAUL TERLEMEZIAN, ANDREW TRIEF, KRISTI WILLIAMS, AND CHRIS THORNE. ALL RIGHT, COUNCIL, LET'S STAND UP AND GO GET A PICTURE TAKEN. THOSE OF US WHO ARE SURE TO SPEAK. SO THAT WAY WE CAN HAVE TWO CLEAN LINES. SO EVERYBODY FIND YOUR WINDOW SO WE CAN SEE EVERYBODY'S FACE JUST TAKING THE PICTURE. I COULD GET EVERYBODY TO TURN AROUND AND FACE THIS WAY. A GOOD ONE. CONGRATULATIONS. WE GOT A BIG GROUP HERE. CAN WE GET SOME PEOPLE IN THE FRONT HERE TO GIVE US ON? OKAY. MAKE SURE YOU HAVE A WINDOW. HERE. IF YOU CAN STAND UP HERE. YES, MA'AM. COUNCILWOMAN HERE. BUT MAKE SURE. YOU'RE READY. ONE. TWO. THREE. ONE MORE SET TO THE RIGHT A LITTLE BIT. JUST THE START. IF YOU COULD STEP THROUGH. THERE WE GO. AND THEN. PERFECT. OKAY. ONE MORE. EXCELLENT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. SO THAT'S OUR THIRD GRADUATING CLASS. EDEN. WHEN IS THE NEXT CLASS? WHEN IS THE SIGN UP FOR THE NEXT LEADERSHIP CLASS? WE WILL BE OPENING FOR APPLICATIONS LATER IN THE SUMMER, SO PEOPLE SHOULD STAY TUNED FOR THAT. THE NEXT SERIES WILL BEGIN AFTER SCHOOL STARTS BACK IN SEPTEMBER. PERFECT AFTER SCHOOL STARTS. ALL RIGHT. SO ANYBODY INTERESTED AND THOSE THAT JUST GRADUATED, YOU'RE NOT DONE. YOU NEED TO GO OUT AND TELL EVERYBODY IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD ABOUT OUR CITY AND WHAT YOU LEARNED. THIS IS VERY YOU'RE VERY POWERFUL FORCE NOW FOR THE CITY'S RECOGNITION. ALL RIGHT. NEXT STAFF DISCUSSION ITEMS. WE HAVE THE G DOT [II. Staff Discussion Items ] INNOVATIVE INTERCHANGE CONCEPT PLANS FOR I-285 AND ROSWELL ROAD PRESENTED BY JOSH JOSH SEAGRAVES, ANDREW FARMER, ANDREW SMITH, ALL WITH GRESHAM SMITH. GENTLEMEN, YOU PLEASE COME FORWARD. GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING. I'M JOEL SEAGRAVES WITH GRESHAM SMITH. [00:05:12] I'M GOING TO BE PRESENTING THE I-285 ROUTE NINE, THE INNOVATIVE INTERCHANGE SCOPING STUDY THAT WE PUT TOGETHER. I DO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT BEFORE WE START THIS, THIS IS SIMPLY IT IS A SCOPING STUDY WITH THE ONLY DELIVERABLE BEING AN APPROVED CONCEPT. IT IS FUNDED THROUGH SCOPING. AND THAT IS THAT IS IT RIGHT NOW. FIRST OFF, WE'LL GO THROUGH SOME EXISTING CONDITIONS OF ROSWELL ROAD AND 285 AND THE SURROUNDING CITY SIDE STREETS. HERE'S A LOCATION MAP. YOU SEE IT'S JUST JUST WEST OF 400 AT 285. A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL ON A LOCATION MAP. THE RED THAT YOU SEE ARE PREVIOUSLY IDENTIFIED HISTORIC DISTRICTS, ENVIRONMENT OR ENVIRONMENTAL RESOURCES. CURRENTLY THE INTERCHANGE IS A TIGHT URBAN DIAMOND OR A 2D. IF YOU HEAR ME SAY 2D, I'M SPEAKING TO THE EXISTING INTERCHANGE CONFIGURATION. 285 IN THE AREA HAS GOT TEN LANES. THERE'S BARRIERS SEPARATED COLLECTED DISTRIBUTORS ALONG. 285 ROSWELL ROAD IS A FOUR LANE. IT'S MEDIAN DIVIDED. IT'S A PRINCIPAL ARTERIAL CARRIES APPROXIMATELY 40,000 VEHICLES A DAY THROUGH THE INTERCHANGE LANE ON ROSWELL ROAD. CURRENTLY, THEY VARY FROM 10 TO 11FT. THE BORDER WIDTH OR SHOULDER VARIES FROM 10 TO 16FT AND INCLUDES FOUR TO APPROXIMATELY NINE FOOT SIDEWALKS. SIDE PATHS 285 THROUGH HERE HAS A VARIABLE SPEED LIMIT. THE 65MPH IS USED FOR THE DESIGN OF THE INITIAL RAMP CURVE. I HAVE IT RIGHT HERE. THE ROSWELL ROAD SPEED LIMIT IS 35MPH. EXISTING RIGHT OF WAY ALONG ROSWELL ROAD VARIES FROM ABOUT 60 TO 220FT. I DO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THAT 220FT IS UP AT 285. THAT'S YOUR WIDEST RIGHT OF WAY DUE TO 285 RIGHT OF WAY IN THE AREA. THE PROJECT IS MIXED USE RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL. THE RAMPS OFF OF 285 ARE 2 TO 4 LANES. CURRENTLY THEY'RE 12FT WITH 12 FOOT WIDE LANES, AND THE RAMP SHOULDERS VARY FROM 8 TO 12FT. OUR LOCAL ROADS INCLUDE, BUT ARE NOT LIMITED TO, LAKE PLACID DRIVE, NORTHWOODS DRIVE, ALLEN ROAD, CARPENTER DRIVE AND CLIFFWOOD DRIVE. ALL OF THESE CITY STREETS WITHIN THE LIMITS. THE RANGE FROM 2 TO 4 TRAVEL LANES, WITH WIDTHS VARYING FROM 10 TO 11FT. THEY ALL MAINTAIN A VARIABLE BORDER WIDTH 10 TO 16FT, AND THE SIDEWALKS IN THE SHOULDERS RANGE FROM 4 TO 10FT IN WIDTH. YOU CAN SEE THAT OUR POSTED SPEED LIMITS VARY DEPENDING ON WHICH SIDE STREET YOU WERE ON. WE HAVE A LOT OF PREVIOUSLY IDENTIFIED HISTORIC RESOURCES THAT WE SAW THAT ON THE MY LOCATION MAP WITH, WITH, WITH THE THE RED BOXES INDICATING HIS HISTORY. WE HAVE A AT LEAST ONE STREAM IN THE AREA. ALLEN PARK IS LOCATED NEARBY. IT IS NOT WITHIN THE PROJECT LIMIT, BUT IT IS CLOSE. THERE'LL BE ONGOING ONGOING COORDINATION WITH THE 285 EXPRESS LANES FOR NOISE MITIGATION. I DON'T WANT TO KEEP GOING. Y'ALL CAN'T SEE IT. LET'S SEE. AND THERE'S STILL ECOLOGICAL RESOURCE SURVEYS THAT NEED TO BE COMPLETED FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT. NOW THE FUN PART, THE ALTERNATIVES WE'VE CONSIDERED. OUR FIRST ALTERNATIVE. ALTERNATIVE ONE WAS A DISPLACED LEFT. IT WAS NOT CHOSEN AS THE PREFERRED ALTERNATIVE, IN PART DUE TO BENEFIT COST, AND IT NOT FITTING WITH WHAT YOU SEE IN THE BLUE THERE IS THE. IT'S A FOOTPRINT THAT GRESHAM WAS PROVIDED FOR THE FUTURE EXPRESS LANES AND OUR DISPLACED LEFT JUST WAS WAS NOT GOING TO SIZE TO FIT VERTICALLY OR HORIZONTALLY WITH THOSE TOP DOWN EXPRESS LANES. SO THAT WAS A PARAMETER THAT WE HAD TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT ON EVERY ALTERNATIVE THAT WE EXPLORED. THE NEXT ALTERNATIVE, ALTERNATIVE TWO, WHEN IT POPS BACK UP, IS A SINGLE POINT OR A SPUI SAME SAME REASONS ALTERNATIVE ONE WASN'T CHOSEN VERY LOW BENEFIT COST AND DOES NOT FIT WELL OR AT ALL IN THIS [00:10:05] CASE WITH OUR TOP DOWN EXPRESS LANE PARAMETER. ALTERNATIVE THREE WAS TAKING THE EXISTING 2D OR TIGHT URBAN DIAMOND AND ADDING CAPACITY IN THE FORM OF LEFT TURN LANES ONTO THE RAMPS, OFF OF THE RAMPS, AND INCREASING LEVEL OF SERVICE AND OPERATIONS. WITH THE EXISTING CONFIGURATION, THE BRIDGE WOULD BE REPLACED IN THIS. IN THIS INSTANCE, THIS ALSO WASN'T CHOSEN DUE TO A LOWER BENEFIT COST RATIO. IT DOES FIT WITHIN THE CURRENT FOOTPRINT THAT WE WERE PROVIDED OF THE EXPRESS LANES, BUT WITH A LOWER BENEFIT COST. IT WAS NOT THE PREFERRED ALTERNATIVE IN THIS. IN THIS STUDY, ALTERNATIVE FOUR, WHICH WAS OUR IS OUR PREFERRED ALTERNATIVE IS A D OR A DIVERGING DIAMOND INTERCHANGE. THIS PROVIDED THE HIGHEST BENEFIT COST AND FIT WELL WITHIN THE EXPRESS LANE FOOTPRINT, AND THERE ARE A. HERE'S OUR PREFERRED ALTERNATIVE. GO TO THE NEXT ONE. I HAVE A LITTLE BIT BETTER ZOOMED IN VIEW. THIS IS SOUTH OF 285. I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT HERE SOUTH OF 285, EXCEPT UP RIGHT UP BY THE. THE INTERSTATE. THE RIGHT OF WAY VARIES FROM 60 TO 70FT, BUT VERY NARROW RIGHT OF WAY FOOTPRINT FOR, FOR WHAT WE NEED TO DO HERE. THIS IS NORTH OF 285. OUR RIGHT OF WAY HERE VARIES APPROXIMATELY 70 TO 90FT. OUR TYPICAL SECTION WIDTH FOR ROSWELL ROAD THROUGH THIS AREA IS A ROUGHLY 100FT WIDE TO TO JUST PUT IN, PUT IN PERSPECTIVE, OUR, OUR SOME OF OUR CHALLENGES WITH RIGHT OF WAY AND HAVING AN OPERATIONAL INTERCHANGE. TOTAL PROJECT COST FOR THE PREFERRED ALTERNATIVE FOR THE DIE IS ESTIMATED ANYWHERE FROM 70 TO 85 MILLION. AS, AS MENTIONED IN THE BEGINNING, THE ONLY THING FUNDED HERE IS THE SCOPING PHASE RIGHT AWAY. UTILITY CONSTRUCTION, NOR PE OR PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING. NONE OF THAT IS CURRENTLY FUNDED. WE HAVE POTENTIAL EFFECTS. IN OTHER HIGHLIGHTS, WE WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT ON THIS. WE ARE NOT ANTICIPATING ANY CONTROLLING CRITERIA, EXCEPTIONS OR VARIANCES. WE ARE ANTICIPATING AT LEAST THREE AT THIS TIME. VARIANCES TO G DOT STANDARD CRITERIA. THESE BEING MEETING USAGE, WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO FIT A 20 TO 24 FOOT WIDE MEDIAN AS POLICY CALLS FOR THROUGH HERE, ACCESS CONTROL MAY NEED TO BE VARIANCE DUE TO PROXIMITY OF DRIVEWAYS TO OUR RAMPS, AND A DESIGN VARIANCE FOR LATERAL OFFSET TO OBSTRUCTION MAY NEED TO BE PURSUED DUE TO THE PROXIMITY OF POLES, BUILDINGS AND OTHER FEATURES THAT ARE INHERENT TO AN URBAN CORRIDOR. THERE ARE CURRENTLY 23 ANTICIPATED PARCELS. THERE'S ONE POTENTIAL DISPLACEMENT THAT WOULD BE. THERE'S A GAS STATION ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF 285 THAT CURRENTLY THE EXISTING SIDEWALK IS ALMOST UP AGAINST THE FILLER CAPS. IN ANY WIDENING THERE IS IS MOST LIKELY GOING TO DISPLACE OUR REQUIRED RIGHT OF WAY. AS MENTIONED BEFORE, WE HAVE A REALLY VARIABLE RIGHT OF WAY FOOTPRINT FROM 60 TO UP TO 220FT UP BY THE INTERSTATE PROPOSED. WE ARE GOING TO GO FROM 60 TO 75 AT OUR MINIMUM, AND ARE GOING TO TAKE UP TO 260FT UP AT THE INTERCHANGE. WITH THIS CORRIDOR ALREADY BEING VERY BUILT OUT AND COMMERCIALIZED. THAT'S RIGHT AWAY IS A CHALLENGE THROUGH HERE. THERE ARE SEVERAL UTILITIES, AS I'M SURE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM KNOW, THAT RUN THROUGH THE CORRIDOR BOTH UNDERGROUND AND AERIAL. THE UTILITY ADJUSTMENT SCHEDULE FOR THIS PROJECT WILL WILL BE COMPLEX, AND IT WILL REQUIRE VERY CLOSE COORDINATION WITH UTILITY OWNERS AND THE CONTRACTOR. THIS IS A MAJOR PROJECT, THUS A PUBLIC INTEREST DETERMINATION POLICY AND PROCEDURE IS GOING TO BE RECOMMENDED. THESE. THIS. THIS IS JUST A GRAPHIC DEPICTING ALL OF THE UTILITIES IN THE CORRIDOR. YOU SEE THERE'S ELECTRIC TRAFFIC CONTROL, GAS, WATER, SEWER, SOME. IT'S RUNNING THROUGH THERE. THERE THERE ARE IT'S TYPICAL TYPICAL UTILITIES IN A VERY BUILT OUT URBAN CORRIDOR. THIS IS THE THE NORTH SIDE. THERE. THERE ARE SEVERAL ATTACHED TO THE BRIDGE. MORE PROJECT EFFECTS AS, AS EVERYONE KNOWS, THERE'S THERE'S A LOT OF CONGESTION THAT EXISTS HERE DURING CONSTRUCTION, STAGING THAT THAT IS GOING TO BE SOME. THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME GROWING PAINS DURING CONSTRUCTION. THE STAGING WILL BE COMPLEX. B A LOT OF TRAFFIC SHIFT HAVE TO CLOSE LANES. [00:15:04] THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME COORDINATION THAT HAS TO BE DONE VERY CLOSE WITH MARTA DUE TO THE BUS STOPS LOCATED IN THE CORRIDOR IN THE PROJECT LIMIT. AS MENTIONED BEFORE, THE UTILITY ADJUSTMENT SCHEDULE WILL BE COMPLEX AND LONG. THERE'S SEVERAL PROJECTS THAT ARE CLOSE BY. THAT COMPLEX AND CLOSE COORDINATION IS GOING TO BE REQUIRED OF THOSE TWO. THERE ARE. THE ROAD USER COST HERE IS PRETTY HIGH PER DAY, SO IT'S POSSIBLE THAT EARLY COMPLETION AND INCENTIVES ARE PROVIDED. AND IN THIS AREA, OUR MUNICIPAL SEPARATE STORM WATER SEWER SYSTEM OR MS4. THE POLICY APPLIES. BUT AGAIN, GIVEN THE GIVEN THE CORRIDOR CHARACTERISTICS, EXCLUSIONS MAY BE PURSUED JUST DUE TO THE THE THE MS4 BMPS BEING INFEASIBLE SHOULD THEY BE PROPOSED. AND THAT IS THE END OF OUR PRESENTATION AND I WELCOME ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. YES, SIR. LET'S START WITH QUESTIONS. WHO'S INTERESTED? MISS MUELLER. OH, SORRY. I'M GOING TO GO FIRST. YES PLEASE GO AHEAD. COULD WE GO BACK TO THE SLIDE FOCUSING ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF 285? ABSOLUTELY. I HAVE A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS SEGMENT, AND I THINK SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES MAY TAKE MORE OF THE NORTH SIDE. SO TRY TO DIVIDE AND CONQUER A LITTLE BIT. SO FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. I THINK AT LEAST FOR ME, I RECOGNIZE THIS IS A VERY BUSY INTERSECTION AND IT'S SUBOPTIMAL. AND SO SOME WORK NEEDS TO BE DONE. BUT I, I WILL TELL YOU, I HAVE A NUMBER OF CONCERNS OF SORT OF HOW THIS IS GOING TO IMPACT SOME OF THE SURROUNDING BUSINESSES AND RESIDENTS. AND, AND I'LL START NUMBER ONE BY SAYING, YOU MAY OR MAY NOT KNOW THIS, THIS, THIS IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC AREAS OF THE ENTIRE CITY OF SANDY SPRINGS. THERE ARE A NUMBER OF NEIGHBORHOODS AND RESIDENTS WHO WALK TO WORK, WALK TO THE BUS STOP. SO WALKABILITY AND SOME OF OUR PLANS THAT WE'VE HAD FOR THIS AREA WILL BE DIRECTLY IMPACTED BY THIS, AND PROBABLY NOT SO MUCH IN A POSITIVE WAY BECAUSE WE'RE INCREASING TRAFFIC, INCREASING LANES. SO I'M WONDERING IF THERE'S WAYS THAT WE CAN CAN WORK ON THAT. AND I'LL GET TO SOME OF MY QUESTIONS. SO THE, THE FIRST PROPERTY THAT I WANTED TO ASK ABOUT, IF YOU, YOU MENTIONED THE GAS STATION THAT WOULD BE DISPLACED. CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHY? I GUESS THE RATIONALE BEHIND THAT AND WHAT WOULD HAPPEN? WOULD G DOT BUY THE PROPERTY? LIKE WHAT, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN? I'M FIRST, I'M NOT GOING TO SPEAK TO WHAT G DOT MIGHT DO. I HAVE NEPHEW WITH G DOT SITTING BACK HERE. BUT THE THE REASON I MENTIONED THAT DISPLACEMENT EXISTING. IT IS VERY CLOSE TO THE ROAD AND I'M AFRAID YOU HAVE. YOU CAN. IT'S HARD TO SEE FROM FROM, YOU KNOW, WAY BACK HERE, BUT YOU HAVE THE, THE FILLER CAPS WHERE THE TRUCK PULLS IN AND FILLS THE TANKS. THEY ARE IN BETWEEN THE CANOPY AND THE ROAD RIGHT NOW. AND SO ANY WIDENING, REGARDLESS OF ALTERNATIVE, ANY ANY WIDENING THERE I'M AFRAID IS GOING TO IMPACT A THE TANKS THEMSELVES OR B A TRUCK'S ABILITY TO GET IN THERE AND DO WHAT HE NEEDS TO DO AND LEAVE. AND THAT'S THAT'S PROPERTY NUMBER SEVEN. THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY, SO ACROSS THE STREET ON PROPERTY NUMBER EIGHT, THAT IS ALSO A GAS STATION. OKAY. YES. AND THE CAR WASH RIGHT. WITH THE CAR WASH. SO HAVE, HAVE YOU CONSIDERED WHETHER THAT MIGHT BE A POTENTIAL DISPLACEMENT AS WELL? I GIVEN THE LOCATION OF THE FILLER CAPS, I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A DISPLACEMENT. I'M NOT AS CONFIDENT THERE AS I AM AS PARCEL SEVEN. FROM THIS MAP, IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE THE ONLY WAY TO ACCESS THAT GAS STATION WOULD BE FROM THE CUL DE SAC, BECAUSE YOU'RE CUTTING OFF ACCESS TO ROSWELL ROAD, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. IN THIS CURRENT CONFIGURATION, I WOULD SUGGEST SOME MORE DISCUSSION WITH GDOT ABOUT WHETHER THAT IS A DISPLACEMENT, BECAUSE IF YOU'RE CUTTING OFF ACCESS TO THE GAS STATION FROM THE MAIN ROAD, AND THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN ACCESS IT IS FROM THREE RIGHT TURNS OFF OF A CUL DE SAC OF A SIDE STREET. I THINK YOU PROBABLY NEED TO TALK TO THAT PROPERTY OWNER AND FIGURE OUT WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. AND I DON'T DISAGREE. OKAY. THE PROPERTY NUMBER TEN. ARE YOU ALL AWARE OF WHAT WHAT THAT IS? LET ME I'M GOING TO OPEN THAT HERE. OKAY. I JUST I CAN IT'S CENTER ICE ARENA. OKAY. THE ICE ARENA. YEAH. SO I'LL TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT CENTER ICE. SO THERE ARE VERY FEW INDOOR ICE RINKS IN THE STATE OF GEORGIA, AND THEY'RE VERY BUSY. SOMETIMES DURING THE HOLIDAY SEASON THEY COULD HAVE 15 20,000 PEOPLE COME THROUGH IN DECEMBER. AND AGAIN, FROM THIS MAP, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE CUTTING OFF THEIR ACCESS TO THE MAIN STREET. CORRECT. THE LITTLE RED LINE THAT'S AT THE BOTTOM OF THE RIGHT OF WAY [00:20:03] ACQUISITION. YES, SIR. THAT IS. THAT'S RIGHT. IS THAT GOING TO RESULT IN A LOSS OF THAT PROPERTY TO THEM? AND PART OF THE REASON I ASK IS THERE'S PARKING SPACES DOWN THERE THAT IS ALREADY TIGHT ON PARKING. SO WOULD THAT MEAN THEY'RE GOING TO LOSE PARKING SPACES? THEY COULD WITH WITH WITHOUT HAVING FULL FIELD SURVEY? I CAN'T TELL YOU YES OR NO RIGHT NOW. IS IT POSSIBLE? YES. BUT YOU KNOW, WITHOUT FULL FIELD SURVEY, I'M NOT CONFIDENT ENOUGH TO TELL YOU ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. OKAY. MY MY VERY STRONG SUGGESTION. AND I KNOW THERE'S REPRESENTATIVES FROM G DOT IN THE ROOM TOO, IS THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE A LOT OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AROUND THIS, PARTICULARLY FOR, FOR THESE PROPERTIES. AND I WOULD REALLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO GET THEM IN A ROOM AND LISTEN TO THEIR CONCERNS AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT IF THERE'S SOME WAY TO MITIGATE THE IMPACT ON THEIR ON THEIR BUSINESSES, AND THERE MAY BE SOMETHING THEY CAN DO TOGETHER, I DON'T KNOW. SURE. BUT THEY'RE JUST LOOKING AT THIS MAP AND KNOWING HOW THIS AREA IS USED. THIS IS IT'S GREAT FOR THE CARS MOVING THROUGH ROSWELL ROAD. IT IS EXTREMELY DISRUPTIVE TO THESE SMALL BUSINESSES ALONG ROSWELL ROAD, INCLUDING THE PROPERTY THAT'S AT NUMBER SIX AND FOUR, WHICH ARE CHANGING THE DRIVEWAY IN AND OUT OF OF THOSE AS WELL. THERE'S SOME OTHER SMALL BUSINESSES THERE THAT I WOULD BEFORE THIS IS FINALIZED. I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW THIS IS GOING TO IMPACT THEM. OKAY. ON THE EIGHT FOOT MULTI-USE, MULTI-USE PATH, YES. DID YOU CONSIDER WHETHER YOU COULD DO A TEN OR A 12 FOOT PATH? I DON'T THINK I CAN FIT A 10 OR 12 FOOT PATH WITH THE CURRENT INFORMATION THAT I HAVE. OKAY. WHICH IS G, I, S AND ARIEL'S THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WILL HAVE TO BE DETERMINED IN PRELIMINARY DESIGN WHEN FULL FIELD SURVEY IS AVAILABLE. I WELCOME A TEN FOOT PATH, BUT I IT'S, IT'S AN UNCERTAINTY AND I DON'T WANT TO OVER PROMISE. YEAH. I, I HEAR YOU, I, I THINK YOU PROBABLY KNOW. SO TEN FOOT PATH IS SORT OF THE MINIMUM OF WHAT'S RECOMMENDED BY BEST PRACTICES FOR MULTI-USE. THIS ACTUALLY REALLY SHOULD BE MORE LIKE 12 OR 14 FOOT BECAUSE OF HOW DENSE AND HIGH TRAFFIC THIS IS. SO THIS IS CHALLENGING IN TERMS OF ENCOURAGING WALKABILITY IN THIS AREA. AND I GUESS THE SAME QUESTION I HAVE ON THE PATH, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A SIDEWALK OR MULTI-USE PATH CONTEMPLATED IN THE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DIVERGING DIAMOND INTERCHANGE, LIKE IN THE MIDDLE OF ROSWELL ROAD. THAT IS HOW PEDESTRIANS WILL CROSS THE BRIDGE. IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO JIMMY CARTER. SO WILL PEOPLE ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO WALK DOWN THE MIDDLE OF ROSWELL ROAD? IT'S APPROXIMATELY 19FT WIDE. YES. AND IT WILL BE HAVE BARRIERS ON EITHER ON EITHER SIDE OF IT. IT'S A BARRIER PROTECTED MULTI-USE PATH ACROSS THE BRIDGE. OKAY. YEAH, I WOULD ALSO, I MEAN, I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE THIS TO BE AN ONGOING CONVERSATION BECAUSE THIS IS OBVIOUSLY A HUGE PROJECT AND I REALLY AM JUST GOING TO SAY AGAIN, TO WRAP UP AT LEAST THESE INITIAL QUESTIONS, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT IS GOING TO BE REALLY IMPORTANT HERE TO FIGURE OUT WAYS TO MITIGATE THE IMPACT TO THESE SMALL BUSINESSES THAT ARE REALLY CORE TO OUR COMMUNITY, AS WELL AS THE RESIDENTS IN THE AREA WHO WALK THIS AREA DAILY. OKAY. SURE. THANKS. OKAY. I HAVE A COUPLE. GO AHEAD. JUST SO WE CAN FINISH THIS OUTSIDE. WE'LL WORK OUR WAY LEFT TO RIGHT. OKAY. YEAH. SO ON THE PART ABOUT THE COMMUNITY OUTREACH, I CONCUR THAT THERE SHOULD BE LOTS OF IT BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY RESIDENTIAL UNITS AROUND THERE. AND MY ASK WOULD ALSO BE THAT IT'S A MULTILINGUAL AND THAT IT'S NOT JUST IN ENGLISH, BECAUSE THAT'S A VERY DIVERSE COMMUNITY. MY NEXT QUESTION FOR YOU IS, CAN YOU JUST GIVE US A LITTLE BIT OF INSIGHT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THESE ARE HISTORICAL AREAS. WHAT IS IT THAT'S HISTORICAL ABOUT THEM? I'M GOING TO THINK ABOUT THAT. DO YOU HAVE THE CONTINENT REPORT? SO ANDREW, THOSE AREAS WERE IDENTIFIED AS PART. TELL ME WHO YOU ARE SIR. WHAT? HI, MY NAME IS ANDREW FARMER. I'M ALSO WITH GRESHAM SMITH. THOSE AREAS, AS PART OF OUR STUDY, WE WERE ONLY SCOPED TO DO A DESKTOP SCREENING FOR POTENTIAL ENVIRONMENTAL AREAS. THOSE AREAS SHOWN IN RED WERE IDENTIFIED VIA SOME OTHER PROJECTS WITHIN THE AREA, SO WE THOUGHT TO INCLUDE THEM AND IDENTIFIED AS WHAT? I'M SORRY. YEAH, THE POTENTIAL HISTORIC DISTRICTS JUST BASED ON THE AGE AND QUALITIES OF THE PROPERTIES. OKAY, OKAY. AND THEN MY NEXT QUESTION IS THIS PROJECT IS INTENDED TO COMPLETELY REPLACE THE BRIDGE. YES. OKAY. THAT'S [00:25:08] IT FOR ME. MR. MUELLER. OKAY, SO I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE NORTH SIDE OF 285. IT'S MOSTLY MY DISTRICT, WHICH IS DISTRICT THREE, AND THERE'S A SMALL PORTION OF DISTRICT SIX THAT GOES OVER THERE. SO I THINK THAT WE ALL AGREE THAT THIS IS A CHRONICALLY CHALLENGED, TRAFFIC WISE INTERSECTION, EVEN WITH, YOU KNOW, THE CHANGES AND IMPROVEMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE OVER THE YEARS, IT'S STILL CONGESTED ALMOST ALL AROUND THE CLOCK. I THINK THAT THIS IS THE PROJECT SHOULD BE EVALUATED NOT ONLY IN TERMS OF THE LENS OF MOVING CARS EFFICIENTLY, BUT ALSO AS FAR AS PEDESTRIAN MOBILITY. AND SOME BICYCLISTS, I GUESS, ARE, YOU KNOW, PLANNING FOR THE FUTURE THERE. BUT UNLIKE OTHER DIVERGING DIAMONDS THAT GDOT HAS DONE AT ASHFORD, DUNWOODY, WHICH IS NOT IN OUR CITY, AND THEN AT ABERNATHY ROAD, THOSE FUNCTION VERY WELL. BUT THEY ALSO WERE NOT IN AS THE CHANGES WEREN'T IN A DENSE AREA WHERE WE HAVE A LOT OF RESIDENCES, WE HAVE A LOT OF BUSINESSES. SO WHILE WE NEED TO FOCUS ON THE TRAFFIC, WE ALSO NEED TO FOCUS ON THE BUSINESSES AND THE RESIDENTS. AND I KNOW G DOT GENERALLY YOU KIND OF DO THAT, BUT THAT'S NOT YOUR FOCUS. AND I'M GOING TO ASK THROUGHOUT AND GIVE YOU SOME DATA THAT I WOULD LIKE US TO CONSIDER THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS AREA DOES HAVE, ESPECIALLY NORTH OF 285 HAS NOT JUST BUSINESSES, IT DOES HAVE TOWNHOMES, IT HAS CONDOMINIUMS AND HAS APARTMENT COMPLEXES. YOU KNOW, SO THE QUESTION I HAVE IS, ARE WE GOING TO BE IMPROVING THE VEHICULAR FLOW THROUGH THE INTERSECTION, BUT WE'RE GOING TO CREATE A WORSE WORSENING LOCAL CONDITIONS FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S BUSINESSES AND PEDESTRIANS. CAN I ASK FOR CLARIFICATION ON, ON, ON WORSENING WHAT'S SO I THINK ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LIKE THE CUL DE SAC, WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS, I'M GOING TO TALK. I'LL FIRST. SO ONE OF MY QUESTIONS IS DONE ON THE THE SOUTHERN PART OF THE DIAGRAM HERE WHERE YOU HAVE THE NORTH ACCESS OR THE NORTH ACCESS ROAD. YES. SO I WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND, COULD WE MAKE THAT A CONNECTION ALL THE WAY THROUGH TO CARPENTER DRIVE BECAUSE JUST SOUTH, I THINK YOU ON THE THE ONE DIAGRAM GDOT HAS NOTED THAT IT'S APARTMENTS, IT'S ACTUALLY CONDOMINIUMS AND THERE'S 93 OF THEM. OKAY. AND JUST IF YOU GO AROUND, I MEAN, I DO HAVE THE TOTAL NUMBERS. I CAN GIVE YOU BREAKOUTS. I MEAN, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE. THERE'S A TOTAL IN THIS WHOLE AREA. IF YOU LOOK AT THE UPPER AND LOWER ON THE NORTH SIDE, YOU HAVE 324 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, TOWNHOMES, CONDOS THAT ARE THERE. YOU ALSO HAVE 650 APARTMENT UNITS THAT ARE ON BOTH SIDES, 353 OF WHICH ARE MARKET RATE APARTMENTS, AND 297 ARE SENIOR LIVING. OKAY. YOU ALSO HAVE 22 COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES. AND IF WE INCLUDE THE DISTRICT SIX, THERE'S 25, 12 OF WHICH ARE NOTED ON YOUR DIAGRAM WITH THE NUMBERS. AND WE HAVE ONE PARK WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT OUT, RIGHT. SO WE DO HAVE PEOPLE WHO TRAVEL ALONG THIS CORRIDOR THAT WOULD BE GOING TO ALLEN PARK. ALSO WALKING THERE. THAT'S ONE OF OUR MORE HEAVILY USED PARKS FOR BASKETBALL AND SOCCER. AND THEN WE HAVE A FEW UNDEVELOPED PARCELS, BUT THOSE REALLY AREN'T IN PLAY HERE. SO I THINK YOU CAN I JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU THOSE NUMBERS TO JUST SHOW YOU THAT THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER THINGS OTHER THAN CARS THAT TRAVEL THROUGH HERE. AND I KNOW WHY YOU'RE FOCUSED ON THAT. THIS IS REALLY A MUCH BIGGER IMPACT. AND THE CORRIDOR IS VERY ACTIVE, AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT CONTINUE TO BE ACTIVE. SO WITH THAT, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS. BEFORE I FORGET, I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS ON YOUR NORTH ACCESS ROAD. KIND OF GOING BACK TO MINE AND MR. CHAYEFSKY'S CONVERSATION WITHOUT HAVING FIELD SURVEY I FROM FIELD VISITS AND AERIALS AND GIS, THERE'S A PRETTY BIG GRADE CHANGE RIGHT WHERE I'VE GOT THAT NORTH ACCESS ROAD ENDING. I DIDN'T WANT TO TAKE OUT HALF OF THAT PARKING LOT SHOWING THAT CONNECTION. SO AGAIN, I DON'T I DON'T WANT TO TELL YOU YES OR NO. COULD IT BE CONNECTED? SURE. BUT WITHOUT HAVING FIELD SURVEY, I CAN'T, I CAN'T TELL YOU THAT FOR CERTAINTY WITHOUT WITHOUT TAKING OUT SOMEBODY, YOU KNOW, ALL THEIR PARKING AND KNOCKING THE BUILDING OUT IN THE PROCESS. THERE'S, THERE'S A 10 OR 15 FOOT GRADE CHANGE RIGHT THERE. BUT I WOULD JUST ASK THAT. I MEAN, THERE ARE SEVERAL, I THINK THERE'S WHAT, 3 OR 4 BUSINESSES ON THAT SIDE. THERE'S 17 TOWN, 17 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. THERE'S 93 CONDOS THERE. PLUS YOU HAVE THE SENIOR LIVING FACILITY THAT'S JUST THAT'S OVER THERE AS WELL. OKAY. AND I KNOW THAT I HAVE RECEIVED COMMENTS FROM THE SENIOR LIVING FACILITY THAT WHEN THE RESIDENTS ARE OUT WALKING, THEY DO HAVE TO CROSS THE ROAD TO GET TO THE SIDEWALK ON THE [00:30:03] OTHER SIDE. AND CARS DO TODAY TRAVEL FURTHER PRETTY FAST AND NOW MIGHT BE HAVING A LITTLE BIT MORE WITH THE CUL DE SAC, BECAUSE PEOPLE CAN'T GO OUT AND GET ON TO ROAD, THEY'LL HAVE TO GO ALL THE WAY AROUND, RIGHT? SO THAT WOULD BE CONCERN, I THINK, FOR THE CAMPBELLTOWN COMMUNITY THAT LIVES THERE. AND THEN I ALSO HAD A QUESTION OF IF THE BRIDGE IS PART OF THE EXPRESS LANE PROJECT NOW. RIGHT. IS THAT TRUE? IS IT GOING TO BE PART OF IT? I BELIEVE YOU. THE QUESTION WAS, IS THE BRIDGE PART OF THE EXPRESS LANE PROJECT NOW? IS THAT THE UNDERSTANDING? YES. AGREED. CAN YOU COME TO THE PODIUM SO I CAN'T CAN YOU COME TO THE. SORRY, I CAN'T HEAR YOU. WHY DON'T YOU COME UP FRONT AND TALK TO US, OKAY. AND PLEASE TELL US WHO YOU ARE. I'M NABIL NEGASH WITH GEORGIA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION. I'M THE PROGRAM MANAGER FOR METRO ATLANTA AREA. RIGHT? YES. PERFECT. YOU'RE THE GUY WE WANT TO TALK TO TO ANSWER THE QUESTION, THE BRIDGE PART OF THIS PROJECT WILL BE INCLUDED IN THE 285 EXPRESS EXPRESS LANE PROJECT. OUR COMMISSIONER HAS ALREADY SENT A LETTER FOR THE CITY MAYOR. OKAY. AND THEN SO WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR THE TIMELINE FOR THIS PROJECT? BECAUSE I KNOW THIS IS THIS IS A STUDY, BUT IS THERE ANYTHING MATERIAL THAT MAY COME OUT OF THE DISCUSSION TONIGHT OR THE PUBLIC OPEN HOUSES THAT WOULD HAVE TO GET IN IN SHORT ORDER BECAUSE OF THE INTEGRATION, THE THE EXPANSION OF THE BRIDGE NOW BEING PUT IN TO SET UP FOR THIS PROJECT ON THE ROAD, YOU UNDERSTAND? YES, I DO UNDERSTAND. THE BRIDGE WILL BE PART OF THE EXPRESS LANE. HOWEVER, AS MENTIONED BY THE RESPECTIVE COUNCIL, THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT IS CRITICAL, BUT THE OTHER PART OF THE PROJECT WILL NEED PRELIMINARY DESIGN. AS MENTIONED BY THE DESIGN TEAM, DURING THE PRELIMINARY PHASE, THE PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT NEEDS TO BE INCLUDED AND THAT WILL COME UP FROM SURVEY. SO THE GROUND SURVEY HASN'T BEEN DONE. IMPACTS ARE NOT REALLY CLEARLY INDICATED AT THIS POINT. WE HAVE THE SCOPING ONLY PROJECT, THE OUTCOME OF THE SCOPING PROJECT WAS CONCEPT REPORT. WE HAVE THE FINAL DRAFT CONCEPT REPORT NOW PREPARED BY THE DESIGN TEAM THAT WILL BE PRESENTED TO THE EXECUTIVE MANAGEMENT TO BE APPROVED. HOWEVER, WE'LL TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE REQUEST TO HAVE THAT PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT DURING THIS PHASE AND THE TEAM IS IN PREPARATION FOR PRESENTING FOR THE PUBLIC. OKAY, SO WE I'M HEARING WE HAVE SOME TIME. YES, WE DO NOT A LOT, BUT SOME. OKAY. WHAT IS HAS THERE BEEN ANY CONSIDERATION FOR NOISE MITIGATION OR SOUND WALL OPPORTUNITIES FOR EVALUATION DOWN NEAR ALLEN ROAD PARK AND THEN THE THE ATWATER COMMUNITY. THIS HAS BEEN A LONG GOING DISCUSSION. THAT COMMUNITY WAS PLATTED, I BELIEVE, AND NOT BUILT. THE LAST TIME A SOUND STUDY WAS DONE IN THAT AREA. SO IS THAT GOING TO BE PART OF THIS PROJECT, OR WOULD THAT BE PART OF THE 285 EXPRESS LANE PROJECT, THAT SOUND STUDY? CURRENTLY, THE PROJECT THAT WE ARE PRESENTING TODAY IS AT SCOPING LEVEL, WHICH IS EARLY CONCEPT. SO I CANNOT SPEAK FOR THE NOISE BARRIER. IF IT WAS INCLUDED IN THE 285 PROJECTS, THE P3 DIVISION WILL NOTIFY THE CITY. OKAY, SO THAT'S STILL ONGOING. I THINK THAT I JUST WANT TO RAISE THAT AS A CONTINUED CONCERN BECAUSE WE'VE SPOKEN TO, I THINK YOUR OTHER YOUR COLLEAGUES WHEN THEY'VE BEEN HERE ABOUT THAT, WE TALKED ABOUT THE NORTH ACCESS ROAD, SOMETHING ELSE WITH THE CUL DE SAC OF ALLEN ROAD. I'M JUST WONDERING, HAVE YOU CONSIDERED ANY OF THE TRAFFIC INCREASE THAT MIGHT HAVE HAPPENED ON CLIFFWOOD WAY, AS WELL AS THEN THROUGH THE PLAZA THAT'S THERE, I THINK. WHAT IS IT, THE PLAZA AT CITY SPRINGS, BECAUSE THERE'S A PRIVATE ROAD THAT GOES THROUGH THERE. SO MY CONCERN IS WITH THAT CUL DE SAC, ARE THOSE ROADS NOW GOING TO SEE AN INCREASE IN TRAFFIC? AND IF SO, WHAT EVALUATION HAS BEEN DONE ON THOSE ROADS. SO THERE WAS EXTENSIVE TRAFFIC MODELING DONE DURING THE SCOPING STUDY. AND WITH THESE CUL DE SACS THAT THAT THE EXISTING TRAFFIC COMING IN AND OUT OF THE CUL DE SACS WAS PUSHED UP TO CLIFFWOOD AND CARPENTER, AND IT RESULTED IN A VERY MINIMAL. WE'RE TALKING A HANDFUL OF SECONDS INCREASE IN DRIVER DELAY. YOU [00:35:02] KNOW, WE'RE NOT TALKING, YOU KNOW, LEVEL OF SERVICE CHANGES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. IT WAS IT WAS A IT WAS A MINIMAL DELAY. BUT WE DID TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT. WE DID PUSH THAT TRAFFIC TO RESPECTIVE SIGNALS. AND, YOU KNOW, WE TOOK THAT INTO ACCOUNT TO TO SPEAK ON THE CUL DE SACS A LITTLE BIT. I KNOW THAT'S THAT'S COME UP SEVERAL TIMES AGAIN, CURRENTLY WITH THIS BEING A SCOPING LEVEL CONCEPT STUDY. THAT IS WHAT MAKES THE INTERCHANGE FUNCTION. WELL, IF I OPEN THOSE UP, THEY'RE GOING TO BE OPENED UP INTO THE RAMPS. THE OTHER OPTION IS MOVING THE INTERSECTION BUT MOVING THE INTERSECTION. I MEAN, YOU CAN SEE MOVING THE INTERSECTION WOULD TAKE OUT FULL PARCELS, FULL BUILDINGS, IN ORDER TO MOVE THAT THOSE INTERSECTIONS OUT OF THE RAMP. AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, I SOUND LIKE A BROKEN RECORD. YOU KNOW, IT'S A SCOPING STUDY. YOU KNOW, WE JUST, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT WE JUST DO NOT HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO DETERMINE RIGHT NOW. YEAH. SO YOUR MODEL FOCUSED ON INTERSECTIONS, I GUESS THE ROADS THAT I'M SPEAKING OF ARE NOT INTERSECTIONS. SO I MEAN, WITH SIGNAL SIGNALIZED INTERSECTIONS. SO CLIFFWOOD WAY IS JUST DOWN FROM I THINK IT'S THE FIRST ROAD AFTER THE PLAZA. OKAY. AND THEN THERE'S ALSO A PRIVATE STREET THAT GOES THROUGH THAT PLAZA. AND IF IF ANYONE'S EVER BEEN IN THAT PLAZA, IT GETS PRETTY BUSY AND TRAFFIC THROUGH THERE IS ALREADY PRETTY DICEY, RIGHT? WITH THE. SO I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT A PRIVATE ROAD THAT'S NOT SET UP TO HANDLE MAYBE ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC AS WELL AS CLIFFWOOD WAY, BECAUSE CLIFFWOOD WAY WHERE IT INTERSECTS WITH CLIFFWOOD DRIVE, THERE'S NO INTERSECTION, THERE'S NO SIGNALIZED INTERSECTION THERE. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT WOULD MEAN FOR CARS COMING UP THERE IF THERE'S AN INCREASE IN TRAFFIC. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A WAY TO STUDY NOT JUST SIGNALIZED IMPACT, BUT THE NEAREST CROSSROAD INTERSECTIONS. RIGHT. I UNDERSTAND AND. WE, YEAH, OUR AGAIN, OUR SCOPE FOR THIS STUDY WAS REALLY FROM ROSWELL ROAD FROM CLIFFWOOD CARPENTER DOWN TO LAKE PLACID TO THE SOUTH, INCLUDING INCLUDING THE INTERCHANGE. WELL, THESE ROADS ARE IN BETWEEN THERE, RIGHT. SO THEY CONNECT. RIGHT. SO ALLEN ROAD CONNECTS TO CLIFFWOOD THROUGH CLIFFWOOD WAY. SO I'M JUST SAYING. SO THESE ARE IN THE STUDY ZONE. I THINK THEY'RE IN THE CIRCLE THAT WAS ON THE MAIN. ON ONE OF THE SLIDES. THAT IS SOMETHING I CAN GET YOU AN ANSWER TO BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A MODEL BUILT. IT'S A MICRO TRAFFIC SIMULATION. AND I'D HAVE TO CHECK WITH OUR TRAFFIC FOLKS. I CAN GET YOU AN ANSWER. OKAY. I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT TODAY, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS, LET'S DO IT RIGHT, RIGHT. SO I'M NOT SUGGESTING CLOSE OFF THE CUL DE SAC OR, YOU KNOW, CHANGE THEM, OPEN THEM UP. I KNOW THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE PROGRESS, BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT MAKING THINGS WORSE. SO YOU ASKED ME WHAT I MEANT BY THINGS WORSE. AND THIS WOULD BE. AND I AM FAIRLY CONFIDENT THAT THAT OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER INCLUDED SIDE ROADS IN HIS REROUTING OF TRAFFIC. BUT I DON'T WANT TO TELL YOU THAT WITH UTMOST CERTAINTY WITHOUT LOOKING AT IT FIRST. OKAY. I'D BE INTERESTED TO SEE THAT. AND THEN THERE WAS TALK ABOUT A AHMADAH BRT STATION AT SOME POINT IN THIS AREA. DOES THIS PROJECT AT ALL IMPACT THAT OR DOES THAT PROJECT IMPACT THIS? SO WE'VE HAD A COUPLE MEETINGS WITH THE BRT TEAM, AND FIRST OFF, WITH THAT, THERE IS NO FUNDING FOR THEIR BRT. IT'S VERY CONCEPTUALIZED. AND MY MY TAKE WOULD BE BRT IS LIKE, THEY ARE, THEY'RE WILLING TO WORK AROUND, WORK WITH US. YOU KNOW, THIS PROJECT WITH THE EXPRESS LANE PROJECT. SO THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF COORDINATION ONGOING WITH BRT AND MARTA, BUT YES, I'M AWARE OF THAT POSSIBLE. SO IT'S KIND OF LIKE WHOEVER GETS THERE FIRST AND THEN WE GO, OKAY, WHO CAN COME UP WITH THE FUNDING FIRST? CORRECT. OKAY. AND THEN A QUESTION. I KNOW THAT OUR CITY STAFF HAD SUBMITTED QUESTIONS AND FEEDBACK. I DIDN'T KNOW THE STATUS OF THAT. HAVE WE ANSWERED THOSE QUESTIONS? HAVE THEY HAVE WE RESPONDED TO THEM? AND ARE WE PLANNING ON RESPONDING TO THEM? IS THAT PERMITTING? YES. WE MET. WE MET WITH THE CITY STAFF BACK IN OCTOBER 2025, I BELIEVE WE DID. WE DID SEND RESPONSES BACK TO CITY STAFF ADDRESSING WHAT QUESTIONS WE COULD ANSWER. YEAH, ACTUALLY THERE WAS. SO I ATTENDED A MEETING AND I BELIEVE COUNCILMAN PAULSON AND ROBERTS ATTENDED IN JANUARY. AND THAT SAME LIST WAS PROVIDED. AND I STILL AM NOT SURE THAT THEY'VE BEEN RESPONDED TO THAT WE WE SENT A RESPONSE. WE HAD A NICE SPREADSHEET THAT WAS PROVIDED BY CITY STAFF, AND WE SENT IT BACK WITH WHAT WE COULD. OKAY, SO YOU SAID OCTOBER AND THAT WAS JANUARY. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S THE SAME. YEAH, THERE. AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT WITH THIS CONCEPT, THERE ARE SEVERAL ANSWERS THAT WILL HAVE TO BE DETERMINED DURING PRELIMINARY DESIGN IF THIS PROJECT EVER MAKES IT TO [00:40:04] THAT STAGE. ALL RIGHT. I, I WASN'T AWARE THAT THEY WERE RESPONDED TO. I DIDN'T THINK THAT THEY WERE. SO I WOULD JUST ASK THAT IF WE COULD DOUBLE CHECK THAT, I'D APPRECIATE THAT. AND THEN DO YOU KNOW WHEN THE PUBLIC OPEN HOUSE WILL BE SCHEDULED FOR THIS? WE WE ARE HOPING TO HAVE PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT MEETING PUBLIC OPEN HOUSE THIS YEAR. INITIALLY WE'RE TRYING FOR SPRING, BUT I THINK THAT'S GOING TO GET PUSHED BACK MAYBE END OF SUMMER. I'M NOT SURE I CAN'T PROVIDE YOU. OKAY, SO I THOUGHT THIS REPORT WAS GOING TO BE DONE IN APRIL. SO OBVIOUSLY YES, BUT PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT MAY NOT NECESSARILY BE COMPLETED YET. AND THAT'S TYPICAL A LOT OF TIMES FOR FOR CONCEPTS. A LOT OF TIMES WE DON'T WE DON'T NEED FULL PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT PRIOR TO HAVING A CONCEPT REPORT. OKAY. WELL, THAT'S A LITTLE DISAPPOINTING TO HEAR. ACTUALLY. IT WOULD BE GOOD, I THINK, TO GET THE PUBLIC'S INPUT BEFORE YOU PUBLISH THE STUDY. AND THEN ONE FINAL QUESTION IS, SO WHAT'S THE REALITY OF ANY POTENTIAL MODIFICATIONS TO WHAT'S PRESENTED HERE TONIGHT? I KNOW THIS IS JUST A STUDY, BUT OFTEN STUDIES ARE REALITY. AND ARE WE ABLE TO IMPACT ANY TYPE OF CHANGES TO HELP THE BUSINESSES, THE RESIDENTS? AND AS THIS EVOLVES, OR IS THIS WHAT'S PRESENTED GOING TO BE WHAT HAPPENS? I CAN CAREFULLY SAY THAT YES, CHANGES ARE POSSIBLE. IT'S GOING TO DEPEND ON WHAT THE CHANGES ARE, OBVIOUSLY. BUT WITH THIS BEING JUST A CONCEPT, AS LONG AS WE'RE NOT CHANGING THE INTERCHANGE CONFIGURATION, THE NUMBER OF LANES DRASTICALLY, THERE'S THERE'S YES, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S AN EARLY STAGE SCOPING CONCEPT. IT'S STILL A FLUID CONCEPT. THERE ARE CHANGES CAN BE MADE WITHIN REASON. AND, YOU KNOW, I WANTED TO SPEAK BRIEFLY JUST ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S A COMPROMISE BETWEEN ACCESS FOR BUSINESSES AND THEN SAFETY FOR PEDESTRIANS AND OTHER ROAD USERS. THE THIS, THE CONCEPT AS WE HAVE PRESENTED NOW IS MAXIMIZING THE SAFETY. AND A LOT OF. THAT'S BY ELIMINATING THE DRIVEWAY ACCESS OFF STATE ROUTE NINE. IF YOU TAKE OUT THE SIGNALIZED INTERSECTIONS AND THEN THE INTERCHANGE RAMPS. THERE'S CURRENTLY 78 PEDESTRIAN CONFLICT POINTS ALONG THIS CORRIDOR FROM LAKE PLACID TO CLIFFWOOD CARPENTER. I THINK AS WE HAVE IT PRESENTED NOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT TEN PROPOSED CONFLICT POINTS. SO I, I KNOW THAT Y'ALL Y'ALL HAVE MENTIONED PEDESTRIAN SAFETY SEVERAL TIMES THIS EVENING. YEAH. AND, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER WE CAN DO TO HELP OUR RESIDENTS ALSO NAVIGATE WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. ROBERTS. PLEASE CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE SOUTH SIDE? CERTAINLY. THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF TALK ABOUT THE BUSINESS PROBLEM. AND A LOT OF THESE BUSINESSES WON'T BE THERE WHEN YOU COMPLETE THIS THING BECAUSE OF THE IMPACT OF IT. NOW I'M SEEING SOME WITH THE SERVICE STATION IS I GUESS IT'S A SHELL STATION THERE ON THAT CORNER THAT YOU'VE CUT OFF THERE, THEIR DRIVEWAY FROM ROSWELL ROAD. YOU CAN ONLY ACCESS IT FROM NORTH WOODS. CORRECT. THAT'S THAT'S THE CURRENT CONFIGURATION THAT THAT CAN BE ADJUSTED, BUT YOU GOTTA YOU GOTTA CUT AND THE CURB STILL THERE. AND ON LAKE PLACID, YOU GOT A CUT IN THE CURB. WHEN GOING NORTH. ONE GOING SOUTH. IS THERE ANY WAY TO CONNECT THE ROADWAY TO THOSE CUTS AND THE CURB TO FEED THESE BUSINESSES ON NORTH WOODS, THAT YOU'RE ACTUALLY BASICALLY PUTTING THEM OUT OF? SO BUSINESS, IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, YOU'RE ASKING, IS THERE A POSSIBILITY FOR AN ACCESS ROAD? YES. SO TO NORTH WOODS, THAT THAT WAS LOOKED AT EARLY, ACTUALLY SKETCHED UP AND TAKEN OUT DUE TO THAT GIANT HOLE BEHIND THOSE BUSINESSES. THOSE BUSINESSES ARE ALL HELD UP WITH A I THINK IT'S A GABION WALL. IT WAS HARD TO SEE WITH ALL THE KUDZU ON IT THE LAST TIME I WAS OUT THERE. I'M NOT GOING TO TELL YOU IT'S IMPOSSIBLE. IT IS. WOULD BE VERY EXPENSIVE AND I MEAN IT'S DOABLE. WE SKETCHED IT, I SKETCHED IT OUT, FLESHED IT OUT. WE WE DISCUSSED THAT PROBABLY BACK LAST SUMMER AND DECIDED TO REMOVE IT FROM THE SOUTH SIDE DUE TO THE CONSTRUCTABILITY AND COST ASSOCIATED WITH IT. NOT TO MENTION IT WOULD REQUIRE THE IT [00:45:08] WOULD IMPACT MORE OF THOSE LARGE TRANSMISSION POLES THAT ARE RUNNING DOWN ROSWELL ROAD. SO IT IS POSSIBLE. BUT IT WAS REMOVED DUE TO COST AND CONSTRUCTABILITY. OKAY, WELL, YOU MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT FILLING THE HOLE. WE KNOW THERE'S A HOLE THERE, RIGHT? ALSO, WE ALSO KNOW THAT GDOT MOVES A LOT OF EARTH. THAT IS CORRECT. AND THERE'S NO WAY THEY COULD COME IN AND FILL THAT HOLE. LIKE I SAID, IT'S I'M NOT TELLING YOU IT'S IMPOSSIBLE. OKAY. I, I DON'T I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK DIRECTLY FOR GDOT THANK YOU DOCTOR KELLY. NO. ALL RIGHT. A COUPLE FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS. GO AHEAD. THANK YOU FOR THE GAS STATION ON THE EAST SIDE OF ROSWELL ROAD THAT'S BEING DISPLACED. AND IF YOU LOOK BACK FOR THE ONE THAT I THINK YOU NEED TO LOOK AGAIN, WHETHER THAT COUNTS AS A DISPLACEMENT PARCEL. PARCEL EIGHT, DO SO THESE ARE THESE ARE GAS STATIONS. THERE'S TANKS UNDERNEATH THEM THAT COST A LOT OF MONEY TO CLEAN UP FOR REDEVELOPMENT FOR SOMETHING ELSE BESIDES A GAS STATION. IS THAT A COST THAT WOULD BE COVERED BY THE PROJECT, OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER IS THEN GOING TO HAVE TO BEAR? THE, THE, THE PROJECT? I JUST KIND OF LAY OUT TYPICAL IS YOU DO USD STUDIES, UNDERGROUND STORAGE, TANK STUDIES, YOU GET TO WHAT A PHASE TWO A PHASE TWO IS GOING TO TELL YOU WHAT'S THERE, WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN. CLEARLY, WE KNOW THERE'S TANKS THERE. AND THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE PROJECT THAT THAT WOULD BE DONE UNDER THE CONTRACT. OKAY. I'M GOING TO DOUBLE DOWN ON WHAT COUNCILMEMBER MUELLER SAID ABOUT LET'S TRY TO HAVE SOME PUBLIC OPEN HOUSES, OR AT LEAST INDIVIDUAL OUTREACH TO THESE PROPERTY OWNERS BEFORE THE DESIGN IS FINALIZED. THIS IS JUST THIS IS A VERY MAJOR IMPACT TO SOME BIG PIECES OF LAND THAT I REALLY THINK IT WOULD BE. IT WOULD SAVE A LOT OF HEARTACHE AND HEADACHE LATER ON FOR YOU ALL TO DO THAT BEFORE THE DESIGN IS FINALIZED. WITH THIS MANY CUL DE SACS, DID YOU ALL CONSIDER HOW THIS COULD IMPACT POLICE AND FIRE RESPONSE TIME? I MEAN, WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SOME OF THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE THERE. YOU KNOW, LAUREL GROVE ON THE NORTH SIDE IS IN IS IN MY DISTRICT. AND FOR POLICE AND FIRE TO GET THERE, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE TO GO ALL THE WAY AROUND CARPENTER ROAD. WHEREAS BEFORE THEY COULD JUST GO THE SHORT WAY IN CORPORATE CARPENTER ROAD, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WAS IN SCOPE FOR YOU? HONESTLY, WITH IT BEING A SIX INCH CURB, ANY FIRE TRUCK OR AMBULANCE OR EMERGENCY RESPONDER IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO GO OVER IT IF HE NEEDS TO. SO, I MEAN, YOU'RE CORRECT. THEY ARE CUT OFF TECHNICALLY FROM DRIVING ON THE ROAD THROUGH THERE, BUT IT'S IT'S NOT A I DON'T THINK IT'S IT'S NOT A HINDRANCE. SO THE, THE PLAN IS FOR THE POLICE AND FIRE TO JUMP OVER THE CURB AND GO INTO THE CUL DE SAC ACTUALLY TELLING US THAT. NOW THAT'S REALLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. IT'S POSSIBLE. IT'S NOT THE PLAN, BUT YOU KNOW, THERE'S CUL DE SACS IN A LOT OF PLACES. YOU KNOW, IT'S IT'S GOT TO BE PLANNED FOR. YOU'RE RIGHT. BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, NO, IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT SCOPED TO LOOK AT EMS. I MEAN, IT'S I WOULD SUGGEST YOU HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH OUR POLICE AND FIRE DEPARTMENTS ABOUT THAT ISSUE, PLEASE. SURE. BECAUSE THAT IS A MUCH MORE ROUNDABOUT WAY TO HAVE TO GET TO THESE PROPERTIES AND THE PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE. SURE. LAST THING I'LL SAY, I, I KNOW YOU ARE NOT TAKING NOTES BECAUSE YOU'RE UP HERE SPEAKING. HOPEFULLY YOU HAVE A COLLEAGUE SOMEWHERE IN THE AUDIENCE TAKING NOTES. OKAY, GREAT. IF NOT, OUR MEETINGS ARE RECORDED, THEY'RE ONLINE. IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT WE SAID, PLEASE REFER BACK TO IT AND REACH OUT TO US BECAUSE THIS IS OBVIOUSLY A BIG DEAL. SURE. THANK YOU, MISS FORD. ONE FINAL QUESTION. CAN YOU JUST BIG PICTURE, HELP US UNDERSTAND HOW THIS PROJECT MAY PROCEED? SO THERE MAY BE A DESIGN LATER THIS YEAR WITHIN PUBLIC WITH PUBLIC SESSIONS. AND THEN JUST WHAT ARE THE BIG CHUNKY SORT OF MILESTONES? SURE. I THINK YOU MADE THE POINT. IT'S NOT FUNDED. WE'RE JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IS THIS 5 OR 10 YEARS AWAY OR IS IT A TIME FRAME? I CAN'T I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT RIGHT. RIGHT NOW SPECIFICALLY, I CAN TELL YOU MY UNDERSTANDING IS LIKE, LIKE YOU STATED THAT THE THE BRIDGE IS BEING REPLACED UNDER THE EXPRESS LANES PROJECT, AND THERE IS GOING TO BE CONSIDERATIONS MADE FOR THE APPROACH LEGS FOR IT. IT'S GOING TO BE TO ACCOMMODATE THIS D I AS FAR AS TIME FRAME I YOU HAVE A TIME FRAME. NO. NO. SO WE DON'T HAVE A I CAN'T TELL YOU IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, YOU KNOW, NEXT MONTH IN A YEAR, IN FIVE YEARS. I, I DON'T I'M NOT PRIVY TO THAT INFORMATION. YEAH. I WOULD SAY IF THIS PROJECT WERE TO PROGRESS THROUGH PRELIMINARY AND FINAL DESIGN, IT WOULD BE A 4 TO 5 YEAR PROJECT, 4 TO 5 YEAR PROCESS TO DO THE COMPLETE DESIGN FOR THIS 2 TO 5 YEARS, TO DO THE DESIGN [00:50:03] JUST FOR THE DESIGN, DESIGN RIGHT AWAY, ACQUISITION, ENVIRONMENTAL PERMITS PERMITTING. OKAY, WELL, EVEN THAT IS HELPFUL INFORMATION. IT'S AT LEAST FIVE YEARS OUT. BUT THE INTERCHANGE, THE OR THE, THE EXPRESS LANE PROJECT, DOES THAT HAVE A START DATE? WE, WE ARE NOT PRIVY TO THAT INFORMATION. I IMAGINE IT'S IT'S HAPPENING THIS YEAR IS MY UNDERSTANDING STARTING THIS YEAR OR AT LEAST THE THE BIDS, YOU KNOW, I THINK G DOT'S RECEIVING THE BIDS THIS YEAR. ALL RIGHT. SO GENTLEMEN, ONE OF THE FIRST SLIDES SAID YOUR GOAL WAS TO HAVE AN APPROVED CONCEPT. OBVIOUSLY FROM THESE QUESTIONS IT'S OUR OPINION YOU'RE A LONG WAYS FROM HAVING AN APPROVED CONCEPT HERE. YOU TALK ABOUT TRAFFIC FLOW. YOU DON'T SEEM LIKE YOU'RE EVEN ADDRESSING THE THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE GOING TO DIE BECAUSE OF THIS CONFIGURATION, THIS ALL OF THESE BUSINESSES SOUTH OF 285 ON THE WEST SIDE OF ROSWELL ROAD. IF YOU CAN'T, PEOPLE CAN'T GET TO THOSE BUSINESSES. AS MR. ROBERTS SAID, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO EXIST. SO THE COST OF BUILDING AN ACCESS ROAD BEHIND IT IS ONE COST, THE COST OF YOU CAUSING ALL THESE BUSINESSES TO DIE IS A COST THAT'S GOT TO BE BALANCED WITH THAT COST. SO I'M JUST TELLING YOU, YOU'VE GOT SOME IMPACTS HERE YOU GUYS HAVEN'T THOUGHT THROUGH IN MY OPINION, HAVEN'T FULLY THOUGHT THROUGH. THERE'S TWO SIDES OF THIS. BUT IF ALL THOSE BUSINESSES GO AWAY, THAT'S GOING TO COST YOU GUYS A TON OF A TON OF MONEY AS WELL. AND THEN FINALLY, I ASKED YOU TO PUT YOURSELF MENTALLY IN A CAR, LIVE IN THIS PARTICULAR INTERSECTION, LIVING JUST DOWN THE STREET HERE, AND YOU WANT TO DECIDE, YOU DECIDE YOU WANT TO GET ON THE ROSWELL ROAD. YOU'VE GOT TO GO. YOU'VE REALLY GOT KIND OF A TORTUROUS ROUTE BASED ON THE WAY THIS IS LAID OUT TO GET THE ROSWELL ROAD. LIKEWISE, SIR. I'M SORRY. ANYWHERE IN THIS AREA. OKAY. BY ANOTHER EXAMPLE, THIS IS IF I HAVE A SON WHO'S PLAYING HOCKEY AT THIS ICE RINK. WHEN THIS IS DONE, HE'S GOT TO DRIVE DOWN THE LAKE PLACID. TURN RIGHT. YOU'VE GOT A LITTLE SPUR MOVING NORTH, BUT THE SPUR DOESN'T SEEM TO GO ANYWHERE, SO I'M GOING TO HAVE TO DRIVE FURTHER WEST. HOPEFULLY NOT ALL THE WAY TO LAKE FOREST TO COME BACK AROUND TO THE ICE RINK. THIS IS A TERRIBLE DESIGN IN MY OPINION. YOU'RE MAKING LIFE IMPOSSIBLE FOR THAT ICE RINK TO SURVIVE. SO MY REQUEST IS MENTALLY PUT YOURSELF IN A CAR AND SAY, IF I'M IF I'M GO TO THESE BUSINESSES TODAY, WHEN THIS IS DONE, HOW AM I GOING TO GET TO THESE BUSINESSES? AND I SUBMIT TO YOU RIGHT NOW, THIS DOESN'T APPEAR TO BE A WORKABLE PLAN FOR A LOT OF THESE BUSINESSES. SO IT'S ABOUT A HALF MILE FOR EACH OF THE CUL DE SAC INTERSECTIONS, AS OPPOSED TO 200FT. OKAY. I'M JUST TELLING YOU, IF YOU IF YOU MAKE CUSTOMERS GO A HALF MILE OUT OF THEIR WAY, INSTEAD OF JUST TURNING IN, THESE BUSINESSES ARE GOING TO GO UNDER. THAT'S JUST THE WAY THE WORLD WORKS. SO I KNOW WE'RE IN THE CONCEPT PHASE. IT'S EARLY. WE'RE 4 OR 5 YEARS OUT. I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW OLD I'M GOING TO BE IN 4 OR 5 YEARS, BUT TODAY'S THE DAY. TODAY'S THE TIME TO TALK ABOUT THIS STUFF. AND ON THE NORTH END, THIS SIMPLE CONNECTION TO CARPENTER WHERE YOU HAVE THAT CUL DE SAC, AGAIN, THERE MAY BE MOVE THAT BABY UP. YEAH. I'M TRYING. THERE WE GO, THERE WE GO. THE CUL DE SAC THAT'S AT THE BOTTOM OF THOSE, THE BACK ROAD FOR THOSE BUSINESSES TO EXTEND THAT DOWN TO CARPENTER WOULD SAVE THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE JUST AROUND THERE. IT SAVED THEM A HALF A MILE OF DRIVING. BECAUSE IF THIS DESIGN HOLDS, IF YOU LIVE IN THAT COMPLEX RIGHT NEXT TO 285 DOWN THERE, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO OUT THE CARPENTER, TURN RIGHT, MAKE THE BIG LOOP ALL THE WAY BACK UP TO ROSWELL ROAD AS OPPOSED TO YOU PUT A EXTEND THAT CUL DE SAC TO THAT ROAD. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BRINGING THE ACCESS ROAD TO CARPENTER. YES. I MEAN, AGAIN, THAT'S I DON'T THINK THAT'S A BIG ASK. GOOD. THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S REASONABLE. SO THAT'S GOOD. I'M GLAD THAT'S REASONABLE. I APPRECIATE IT. AND LISTEN YOU GUYS ARE IN A HARD, HARD SPOT HERE. YOU'RE TRYING TO PRESENT A TRAFFIC PATTERN THAT IMPROVES TRAFFIC FLOW. I GET ALL THAT. BUT THERE'S A LOT OF SMALL BUSINESSES HERE. A LOT OF PEOPLE LIVE IN THIS AREA. YOU'RE REALLY IMPACTING THEM NEGATIVELY. AND I JUST ASK THAT YOU CONSIDER THAT AS YOU GO FORWARD WITH THIS BEFORE WE GET TO THE APPROVED STAGE. YEAH. FAIR ENOUGH. AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT. AND AGAIN, THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT WE COULDN'T ADD ADDITIONAL DRIVEWAYS UP AND DOWN STATE ROUTE NINE ACCESS IS BUSINESSES. THERE'S A COMPROMISE THERE. AND AND I GET IT, WE NEED TO WORK THROUGH A BUNCH OF DRIVEWAYS OFF OF THE ROAD YOU'RE TRYING TO GET RID OF. I GET THAT, I GET IT, OKAY. BUT PUT YOURSELF IN THE CAR THAT LIVES RIGHT THERE, AND HE'S GOT TO GET ON THE ROSWELL ROAD. HOW'S HE GOING TO DO THAT WITH THIS? THAT'S MY THAT'S MY AND OUR REQUESTS. SO WITH THAT, UNLESS THERE'S A CITY MANAGER GOT SOMETHING ON YOUR MIND? I DO, BUT NOT. ALL RIGHT, GENTLEMEN, THANKS FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. THIS OBVIOUSLY IS NOT OVER. ALL RIGHT. ANY CITY COUNCIL DISCUSSION ITEMS BEFORE WE CLOSE THE WORK * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.