PAULSON. WE ADJOURN THE PFA. IS THERE ANY ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? NO. WE ARE
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ADJOURNED. MOVING TO THE WORK SESSION. WE HAVE A SOLIDARITY. SANDY SPRINGS UPDATE BY MISS[I. Staff Discussion Items]
JENNIFER BARNES. MISS BARNES, WELCOME. THANK YOU. MRS. THANK YOU ALL FOR HAVING US. AND WE COME HERE REPRESENTING SOLIDARITY SANDY SPRINGS WITH A BIG, VERY BIG GRATEFUL HEART FOR THE DONATION AND THE I GUESS IT'S THE GRANT THAT YOU ALL GAVE US. IT WAS A $25,000 BOND OR GRANT, AND WE USE THAT TO PURCHASE OF OUR OUR FRESH PRODUCE. JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BACKGROUND, MY NAME IS JENNIFER BARNES, AND I'M ONE OF THE FOUNDERS OF SOLIDARITY SANDY SPRINGS. WE STARTED THIS ADVENTURE IN MARCH 2020 WHEN COVID STARTED, AND WE REALLY THOUGHT THAT WE WERE GOING TO FEED TEN FAMILIES FOR TWO WEEKS. YOU SEE, MY FRIEND SONYA AND I HAVE BEEN SENDING KIDS FROM THE NORTH WOODS NEIGHBORHOOD, THE SEVEN APARTMENT COMPLEXES THAT ARE DOWN THERE AT THAT TIME. WE'VE BEEN SENDING KIDS THERE TO SUMMER CAMP FOR THE PAST SEVEN YEARS. WELL, WHEN THEY SAID THAT SCHOOL WAS GOING TO BE GOING VIRTUAL, WE HAD A LITTLE PANIC ATTACK BECAUSE THOSE KIDS, THAT'S A TITLE ONE SCHOOL, AND THOSE KIDS GET THEIR BREAKFAST AND LUNCH AT SCHOOL. AND HONESTLY, THE STORIES YOU HEAR ABOUT KIDS WHO SAVE HALF OF THEIR SANDWICH TO TAKE HOME FOR THEIR MOMS, THIS ACTUALLY EXISTS IN OUR OWN BACKYARD. IT FEELS KIND OF UNBELIEVABLE. SO WE WERE JUST WORRIED ABOUT WHAT THOSE KIDS WERE GOING TO DO FOR FOOD WHEN SCHOOL WENT VIRTUAL. WELL, THAT WAS ONE WEEK, AND WITHIN 2 OR 3 DAYS, THIS WHOLE THING HAD TAKEN ON A LIFE OF ITS OWN. SO WE SET UP SHOP IN THE UNDER THE CORK TREE RESTAURANT THANKS TO JASON SHEETS, AND WE STARTED COLLECTING FOOD. WE OPENED UP OUR FIRST DAY, MARCH THE 27TH. WE THOUGHT WE HAD SO MUCH FOOD. WE OPENED THE DOORS. THERE WAS ALREADY A LINE, JUST WORD OF MOUTH DOWN THE STREET, AND WE OPENED THE DOORS AND WE FED 60 SHOPPERS AND WE RAN OUT OF FOOD. AND THAT WAS ONE OF THOSE DAYS OF WE CALL IT MOM PANIC AND THE THE SNOTTY CRY, BECAUSE I'LL GO HOME AND TELL MY HUSBAND AND HE SAYS, OH, BUT Y'ALL FED 60 PEOPLE. I'M LIKE, YEAH, BUT WE LEFT 30 PEOPLE STANDING ON THE SIDEWALK. SO I WILL TELL YOU, WE HAD A GOOD PITY PARTY, 15 MINUTE PITY PARTY. WE GOT UP, WE CALLED EVERYBODY WE KNEW, WE EMAILED, WE FACEBOOKED, WE WENT SHOPPING. THE NEXT DAY, WE OPENED THE PEOPLE STARTED COMING IN WITH FOOD. AND I WILL TELL YOU, IT HAS NEVER MADE ME MORE PROUD TO BE FROM SOMEWHERE THAN TO WATCH THE COMMUNITY TURN OUT LIKE IT DID. WE OPENED THE DOORS THE NEXT DAY AND WE FED 105 SHOPPERS. AND I LIKE TO SAY WE HAVE NEVER LEFT ANYONE ON THE SIDEWALK. SO FROM THAT MOMENT AFTER OUR MOMENT OF SCARCITY, WE PUT UP SIGNS IN OUR ORIGINAL ORIGINAL ABODE AND WE THOSE HAVE TRAVELED AROUND WITH US. WE HAVE PLENTY. GOD AND OUR DONORS AND OUR COMMUNITY WILL PROVIDE. AND WE CAME UP WITH OUR OUR OUR OUR RALLY. CRY, KINDNESS, ABUNDANCE AND GENEROSITY. SO WE ARE ABUNDANTLY GRATEFUL FOR THE CITY'S HELP. SO THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE THIS IS WHERE YOUR MONEY GOES. WE ARE ABLE TO PROVIDE BETWEEN 12 AND 15 FRESH PRODUCE ITEMS TO OUR SHOPPERS EVERY DAY. DOWN ON THE BOTTOM IS A PICTURE OF OUR NEW ABODE, AND WE ARE VERY GRATEFUL TO THE COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE COMMUNITY IN SANDY SPRINGS. I THINK WE'VE HIT UP MOST OF THE MAJOR PLAYERS. WE STARTED OFF AT UNDER THE CORK TREE AND THEN MOVED DOWN TO NORTHWOODS DRIVE, AND THEN WE MOVED BACK TO THE PRADO. THANK YOU. NORTH. NORTH OF NORTH AMERICAN DEVELOPMENT, THEY WERE ABLE TO PROVIDE US THE PUBLIX LOCATION. THEN WE LET'S SEE WHERE DO WE GO FROM THERE. WE WENT TO THE JAMESTOWN PROPERTY WITH CATCH AIR. THANK YOU.JAMESTOWN. WE WENT BACK TO THE PRADO, TO THE PETER GLEN. AND WE HAVE MADE OUR WAY AROUND FROM THE CHURCH. WE ARE NOW IN OUR SEVENTH LOCATION. WE LIKE TO CALL IT. WE FOLLOW THE FREE AND WE ARE VERY THANKFUL TO REGENCY PARTNERS, REGENT PARTNERS, REGENCY PARTNERS. NOW WHO HAS GIVEN US THE OLD. I'M SORRY IF YOU USED TO GO TO THE LAWN MOWER REPAIR SHOP, BUT WE'RE SERVING FOOD OUT OF THERE NOW. THE BOTTOM. YEAH, THE BOTTOM PICTURE. WHAT ELSE? THE NEXT THING THAT WE'VE DONE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL KNOW IT. WELL, WE DID A LITTLE FIELD TRIP AND WE WENT TO THE DOROTHY BENSON CENTER JUST TO SEE WHAT THEY HAD GOING ON. AND THIS WAS LIKE THREE YEARS AGO, AND THE BENSON CENTER WAS PROVIDING A SERVICE. IT WAS THE FARM, THE FARMERS, THE HUD FARMERS PROGRAM. AND FOR $50, THE THE FARMERS WOULD BRING A BOX OF FOOD AND THE SENIORS WOULD SIGN UP FOR IT. SO IN ORDER TO QUALIFY FOR THIS PROGRAM, YOU
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HAD TO CERTIFY THAT YOU MADE LESS THAN $26,500. LET THAT SINK IN FOR JUST A SECOND. AT THE BENSON CENTER, THEY HAD 75 BOXES AVAILABLE. THEY HAD A THEY HAD A SIGN UP FOR 125 PEOPLE. SO THERE WERE THAT MANY PEOPLE THAT WERE THAT INTERESTED IN THE FOOD. AND AT THAT POINT WE DECIDED WE'VE GOT TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT. SO WE STARTED A POP UP MARKET ON ONE FRIDAY A MONTH. WE GO TO THE DOROTHY BENSON CENTER AND WE SET UP FRESH PRODUCE LIKE YOU HAVE THERE. IN THE BEGINNING, WE WERE SERVING SOMEWHERE NOT QUITE 100 PEOPLE, 75 TO 100 PEOPLE. THIS LAST FRIDAY, WE HAD 170 SHOPPERS SHOPPING WITH US AT THE BENSON CENTER. AND I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL KNOW THERE'S ALSO A HUD SUBSIDIZED APARTMENT COMPLEX ON ALLEN ROAD CALLED STERLING PLACE. WE DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THIS EXISTED BEFORE WE STARTED ALL OF THIS. AND IT CAME ABOUT BECAUSE SOMEBODY HAD SOME OF THE PEOPLE WHO LIVED THERE CAME TO SHOP WITH US, SO WE DECIDED WE WOULD ADOPT THEM FOR VALENTINE'S DAY. SO WE ASKED THEM, WHAT DO Y'ALL WANT FOR VALENTINE'S DAY? DO YOU KNOW WHAT THEY SAID? CLEANING SUPPLIES. NOW LET THAT SINK IN TO CLEANING. SUPPLIES ARE SO EXPENSIVE, AND PEOPLE WHO ARE ON LIMITED BUDGETS DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO THAT. SO WE STARTED OFF AND WE DID VALENTINES VALENTINE'S BAGS WITH CLEANING SUPPLIES, AND SINCE THEN WE'VE PICKED THEM UP FOR ONE OF OUR POP UP PANTRIES AND SERVED SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 60 AND 70 PEOPLE THERE. JUST A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, WE CAME IN CONTACT WITH CAMPBELL STONE, WHICH IS RIGHT AROUND THERE ON CARPENTER DRIVE, WHICH IS ALSO A HUD SUBSIDIZED PROPERTY, AND WE'RE SETTING UP IN THERE ONCE A MONTH AS WELL. SO WE'RE EXPANDING TO OUR SANDY SPRINGS SENIORS. AND I THINK I THINK PEOPLE JUST I THINK THEY FLY UNDER THE RADAR SOMETIMES. AND I THINK WE JUST OUR, OUR GOAL IS TO RAISE SOME AWARENESS. SO SOLIDARITY BY THE NUMBERS 2024. WE HAD 26,522 SHOPPERS FOR OVER 1 MILLION POUNDS OF FOOD AND OVER 5000 VOLUNTEERS THIS YEAR. THIS TIME, YEAR TO DATE, WE'VE HAD 22,762 SHOPPERS, 75% OF THOSE ARE ACTUALLY FROM THE SANDY SPRINGS AREA. WE STARTED OFF OUR FOOD PANTRY NOT LIMITING THAT, BUT BASED ON THE LAST PLACE THAT WE LIVE, WE KIND OF HAD TO CUT BACK BECAUSE OF PARKING. WE NEED TO STAY GOOD NEIGHBORS. SO LAST MONTH WE HAD 120 NEW SHOPPERS. PEOPLE WALK, COME IN AND SHOP WITH US. THEY WALK OUT WITH SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 45 AND 60 POUNDS OF FOOD. WE'RE OPEN THREE DAYS A WEEK ON TUESDAYS, THURSDAYS AND SATURDAYS FROM 830 TO 1130, AND WE ADDED UP THE RETAIL VALUE OF THE FOOD THAT THEY ARE WALKING OUT THE DOOR WITH, AND IT'S OVER $200. SO I THINK IN THE BEGINNING WE WERE ACTUALLY KEEPING PEOPLE FROM GOING HUNGRY. BUT I THINK RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST A GOOD SAFETY NET FOR PEOPLE. THEY DON'T HAVE TO DECIDE IF THEY'RE GOING TO PAY THEIR RENT OR PAY THEIR UTILITIES OR HEAVEN FORBID, SOMETHING HAPPENS TO THEIR CAR. THEY'RE NOT THEY DON'T HAVE TO DECIDE BETWEEN THAT AND FEEDING THEIR FAMILY. AND OUR THE OTHER PART OF IT IS TO WE'VE REALIZED WHEN WE'VE COME INTO THE COMMUNITY, THERE'S SOME HEALTH THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON.THERE'S A HIGH RATE OF HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE AND HIGH BLOOD SUGAR. AND FOR US TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE FRESH PRODUCE AND PROTEIN AND MILK AND EGGS RAISES THE NUTRITIONAL DENSITY OF THE FOOD. AND WE'RE HOPING THAT IT HELPS THE THE HEALTH OF THE PEOPLE THAT WE'RE SERVING.
SO I THINK NOW WE ARE JUST OUR GOAL IS TO BE A GOOD SOLID SAFETY NET AND TO LIFT PEOPLE UP. SO IN ADDITION TO JUST SERVING FOOD, THAT'S OUR MAIN LANE. WE OUR GOAL IS TO CREATE COMMUNITY AND CREATE EXPERIENCES PRIMARILY FOR CHILDREN LIKE THE ONES THAT WE'VE HAD. SO WE'VE HAD MOTHER'S DAY IN COLLABORATION WITH LA AMISTAD FOR 380 KIDS.
WE'VE DONE OUR SENIORS VALENTINE'S BAGS. WE'RE GEARING BACK UP FOR SECRET SANTA. LAST YEAR WE HAD OVER A THOUSAND KIDS. WE'RE GOING TO DO HALLOWEEN TRUNK OR TREAT AT LAKE FOREST. IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO COME DECORATE A TRUCK, WE'RE LOOKING FOR 12 MORE CARS FOR TRUNK OR TREAT. WE DO CULTURALLY APPRECIATED THANKSGIVING BAGS FOR HISPANIC, TRADITIONAL AND EASTERN EUROPEAN. WE'VE GOT SUMMER CAMP THIS LAST YEAR WE TOOK 39 KIDS.
WE'VE GOT A KID SHOPPING MARKET. WE'VE DONE A COLLABORATIVE HEALTH CLINIC WITH NORTHSIDE HOSPITAL. WE GOT AN WE HAD AN EASTER EGG HUNT FOR 300 KIDS IN 60,000 EGGS AT HOLY INNOCENTS.
OUR GOAL IS JUST TO CREATE COMMUNITY AND CREATE COMMON THINGS THAT PEOPLE CAN DO. THE
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LAST PART OF IT, TOO, IS THE NUMBER OF SHEER VOLUME WE'VE HAD OVER 5000 UNIQUE VOLUNTEERS, AND WE PROVIDE CORPORATE OPPORTUNITIES FOR COMPANIES TO COME IN AND BUILD TEAM BUILDING.WE ARE WE HAD TO DO A WHOLE LOT WITH THE KIDS COMMUNITY SERVICE. WE ARE A LOT OF EAGLE SCOUTS PROJECTS. WE JUST GOT THROUGH DOING AN EAGLE SCOUT PROJECT WITH A KID THAT EVERY KID THAT SIGNED UP FOR BACKPACKS GOT UNDERWEAR, SOCKS, A COAT AND A HAT. WE WE TAKE CARE OF THE COURT ORDERED COMMUNITY SERVICE. ANYTIME YOU HEAR SOMEBODY GOING UP AND DOWN 400, WE CAN ALMOST GO CLICK, CLICK. SOMEBODY'S GOING TO BE COMING TO VISIT US. YEAH. IN THE VERY BEGINNING WE USED TO HAVE WHEN WE WERE AT THE PUBLIX, WE HAD THIS RUNNING JOKE BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN ALL THEY WERE RACING UP AND DOWN 400 AND WE'D SEE PEOPLE WALKING IN AND INSTEAD OF DOING COMMUNITY SERVICE, YOU COULD BRING IN TWO ITEMS FOR EVERY HOUR THAT YOU HAD, AND THEY'D COME DRAGGING THINGS IN AND WE'D GO, HOW FAST WERE YOU GOING? AND THEY WOULD FOR THEM FOR BE KNOWN AS MISTER 114. THE THE OTHER PART THAT WE DO IS I THINK WE'VE GOT A LOT OF VOLUNTEERS WHO ARE RETIRED, AND IT GIVES PEOPLE AN OPPORTUNITY TO, TO KIND OF REWIRE INSTEAD OF RETIRE. AND I THINK IT GIVES PEOPLE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE BACK. AND OUR WHOLE GOAL IS JUST TO CREATE THAT, THAT FEELING OF GIVING BACK, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT MAKES A COMMUNITY WHAT IT IS. AND, AND JUST, I MEAN, JUST THE, THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE AND THE GENEROSITY AND THE GENEROSITY FROM YOU ALL JUST MAKES ME PROUD TO SAY I LIVE IN SANDY SPRINGS. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANY QUESTIONS? WELL, OUR THANKS GO TO YOU AND YOUR TEAM AND YOUR VOLUNTEERS BECAUSE YOU FOLKS HAVE STARTED, YOU KNOW, AS YOU SAID, SMALL AND YOU'VE GROWN LIKE CRAZY AND BECOME AN INDISPENSABLE PART OF THIS COMMUNITY. SO THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU DO AND ALL THE REST OF THE VOLUNTEERS. IT'S JUST AMAZING WHAT A GROUP OF MOTIVATED RESIDENTS CAN DO TO REALLY CHANGE THE THIS COMMUNITY. SO WHILE YOU YOU'RE THANKING US, OUR THANKS ARE MUCH MORE TO YOU IN THAT TEAM. SO THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS MR. PAULSON? SO DO YOU NEED VOLUNTEERS AND IF SO, IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO VOLUNTEER, HOW DO THEY GO ABOUT GETTING INVOLVED? THE FASTEST WAY IS W-W-W SOLIDARITY. SANDY SPRINGS.ORG. THERE'S A BUTTON THAT SAYS VOLUNTEER. AND WHAT WE SEND OUT WHEN WE HAVE SPECIAL PROJECTS, WE HAVE A WHOLE SEPARATE VOLUNTEER OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT AS WELL. IF YOU'D LIKE TO RUN A FOOD DRIVE IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT WOULD BE AWESOME. AND WE'VE GOT A LIST ON OUR WEBSITE OF OUR MOST NEEDED ITEMS CEREAL. AND THAT WOULD THAT'S A THAT'S AN OPTION AS WELL. SO WE'VE HAD I MEAN WE HAVE WE HAVE A LIST OF NEEDS. WE HAVE VOLUNTEERS WE CAN ALWAYS USE. WE WE ACTUALLY BUY OUR FRESH PRODUCE FROM THE STATE FARMERS MARKET. AND WE'VE GOT A GOOD LITTLE END DOWN THERE AND KIND OF IT KIND OF WORKS PRETTY WELL. SO MONETARY DONATIONS IN ORDER TO BUY VEGETABLES ARE VERY MUCH APPRECIATED. THANK YOU, MISS ROCHELLE. SO I JUST WANT TO SAY HOW GRATEFUL WE ALL ARE TO HAVE YOU IN SANDY SPRINGS. YOU AND ALL OF YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR VOLUNTEERISM AND GIVING PEOPLE THE OPPORTUNITY TO VOLUNTEER. YOU MENTIONED THAT AND IT'S GREAT. PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS LOOKING AND YOU GIVE THEM A GREAT REASON TO DO THAT. AND OUR CITY IS JUST STRONGER AND KINDER BECAUSE OF YOU AND WE APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANYBODY ELSE ALL RIGHT, MISS BARNES, THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU ALL. THANK YOU. NEXT
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ITEM IS THE CAPITAL SIDEWALK PROGRAM UPDATE, MR. WATERS. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.ALL RIGHT, BRING IN THE CAPITAL SIDEWALK PROGRAM IN FOR AN UPDATE. LIKE, LIKE YOU SAID, THE TITLE HERE, AND. SURE. OKAY. IS THAT THAT'S BETTER. ALL RIGHT. WE HAD BROUGHT THE WELL TO BEGIN WITH, THE CAPITAL SIDEWALK PROGRAM IS COMPRISED OF FUNDING WISE OF THREE CATEGORIES. THE PRIORITY SCORED LIST, THE GAP FILL PROGRAM AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD PROGRAM. WE'LL FOCUS ON THE PRIORITY SCORED LIST AND THE GAP FILL PROGRAM TONIGHT. THERE'S INFORMATION HERE, BUT THE THE SLIDE NEXT SLIDES GO INTO TO THOSE IN MORE DETAIL. SO FOR THE PRIORITY
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SCORED LIST WE HAD WE KEEP A RUNNING UPDATE ON THAT LIST. AND THE SCORING CRITERIA IS NOT IN THIS PRESENTATION TONIGHT. IT'S BEEN IN THE PRIOR. PRIOR PRESENTATIONS. IT'S IT'S KIND OF WHEN WE BROUGHT IT IN FEBRUARY, WE HAD THE LIST DRAFT SCORED LIST OF PRIORITY RANKED SIDEWALK CANDIDATES. AND WE HAD WE TOOK THAT OUT WITH WITH YOUR GUIDANCE AND AGREEMENT TO. MAKE A CALL FOR INTENT TO DONATE RIGHT OF WAY FOR CITIZENS TO HELP INCREASE THEIR SCORE ON ANY PARTICULAR SEGMENT. THERE'S A THAT AGAIN, THAT PROCESS WAS ALSO. DETAILED IN THAT PRESENTATION IN FEBRUARY, WHICH IS THAT PRESENTATION IS CURRENTLY ON THE SIDEWALK WEB PAGE FOR MORE INFORMATION. AFTER TONIGHT, WE'LL UPDATE THE WEB PAGE. I THINK WE'LL SINCE WE REFERENCED THE FEBRUARY 4TH PRESENTATION, WE'LL LEAVE IT ON THERE AS WELL TO BECAUSE IT HAS THOSE DETAILS THAT THIS PRESENTATION DOES. THIS PRESENTATION TAKES, YOU KNOW, BUILDS ON THAT. WE PUT OUT A CALL FOR INTENT TO DONATE RIGHT OF WAY. WHERE ALONG A STRETCH OF SIDEWALK THE THE RIGHT OF WAY SCORE ON THE ANY PARTICULAR SEGMENT ON THE SCORING CAN BE INCREASED BY THE THE RESIDENTS ALONG THE CORRIDOR. WILLINGNESS TO TO SIGN A NON-BINDING LETTER THAT THEY WOULD DONATE THE LAND RIGHTS FOR THE SIDEWALK IN THE FUTURE. WE HAD A FEW INTERESTED GROUPS AND ONE ENDED UP PROVIDING DOCUMENTATION AND INCREASING THEIR SCORE. THE LAKE FOREST SEGMENT FROM MOUNT PARAN TO BURDETT. THEY THEY WERE ABLE TO BRING THEIR RIGHT OF WAY, SCORE UP TO. THEY HAD, I THINK, 3 OR 5 PARCELS THAT GAVE THEM A 60%. SO THEY GOT A SIX OUT OF TEN INSTEAD OF FIVE OUT OF TEN, AND THAT ACTUALLY MATTERED. SO WE'LL SEE LATER IN THE PRESENTATION HOW THAT THAT COULD, COULD END UP HELPING THEM TO ACTUALLY GET INTO THE POTENTIALLY THE FUNDED LIST WITH FUTURE FUNDING. SO ONE GOAL TONIGHT IS TO GET CONSENSUS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT AS THE THE FINAL LIST FOR MOVING FORWARD WITH FUTURE FUNDING, EVEN THOUGH WE DON'T HAVE FUNDING RIGHT IN FRONT OF US, WE HAVE THE TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN UPDATE THAT'S CURRENTLY STARTING. SO THIS THE PRIORITY SCORED LIST HERE WILL BE INSERTED INTO THE TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN AS THE CITY'S LIST OF SIDEWALK PROJECTS THAT WOULD WE WOULD ADVANCE AS FUNDING COMES ALONG THAT TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN UPDATE WITH SIDEWALKS AND THEN ALL THE OTHER PROJECTS THAT THAT IT WOULD CONSIDER WOULD KIND OF ROLL INTO THE LIST OF PROJECTS FOR TSPLOST 2026. SO THAT'S KIND OF WITHOUT FUNDING.WE'RE BRINGING THIS HERE TO KIND OF FEED THOSE DOCUMENTS TO TO HELP, YOU KNOW, LOOK INTO FORWARD TO FUTURE FUNDING. SO THAT'S THE PRIORITY SCORED LIST. AND THEN THE GAP FILL IN THE PREVIOUS UPDATES. WE AND THROUGH PREVIOUS YEARS THE GAP FILL LIMIT HAS BEEN $50,000.
AND WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO ADVANCE MANY SEGMENTS FOR $50,000 IN A WHILE. WITH COST INCREASES. AND AT ONE POINT WE WE WERE ASKED TO BY YOU ALL TO CONSIDER, YOU KNOW, SHOULD WE RAISE THAT, YOU KNOW, A LOGICAL BUMP WOULD BE TO 100,000. BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE WHEN WE WE SHOWED WHAT WOULD BE COVERED BY THAT. BUT THERE WAS NO REAL ANALYSIS. THAT WAS JUST THE NEXT NUMBER UP. SO WE WENT BACK AND DID A LITTLE MORE ANALYSIS. AND IF YOU GO TO 150, THERE'S NOT MANY UNDER 100,000. IF YOU GO TO 150,000, THERE'S THERE'S ONLY I THINK THREE NOW OR IN THE IN THE RECENT PAST. AND 200,000 SEEMS TO BE A GOOD PLACE TO LAND POTENTIALLY AGAIN WITH, WITH YOUR CONSENSUS AND GUIDANCE. AND WE'LL THERE'S MORE INFORMATION ON THOSE SIX
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CANDIDATES THAT WOULD BE UNDER 200,000 EACH. THEY TOTAL 888,000. AND IT JUST HAPPENS THAT THE AVAILABLE FUNDING IN THE 86,000 CAPITAL SIDEWALK PROGRAM BUDGET THAT WE'VE BEEN CARRYING IS CONTINGENCY. WE'VE BEEN USING SPLOST FUNDING TO ADVANCE SIDEWALKS. WE HAD THE APPROXIMATELY $1 MILLION IN THE CAPITAL SIDEWALK PROGRAM THAT WE'VE USED FOR MISCELLANEOUS THINGS, BUT NOT FOR NEW PROJECTS. FOR SEVERAL YEARS. WE COULD ADVANCE THOSE SIX WITH THAT EXISTING FUNDING IF IF WE WERE, YOU KNOW, GIVEN THE GO AHEAD TO DO THAT. SO THAT'S THAT'S AN OPTION. IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING TO COME OUT OF THIS, BUT WE THOSE NUMBERS KIND OF MATCH IF WE IF WE GOT GUIDANCE TO PROCEED WITH THAT.SO THIS SLIDE IS THE KIND OF A GRAPHICAL REPRESENTATION OF WHERE THE PRIORITY CANDIDATE PROJECTS ARE GEOGRAPHICALLY AROUND THE CITY. AND THERE IT'S HARD TO SEE HERE, BUT IT'LL BE ON THE WEBSITE. YOU CAN ZOOM IN AND SEE THE NUMBERS AND THEIR CORRESPONDING TO THE, THE, THE CANDIDATES THAT ARE ON THE TABLE, THE ON THE SLIDES THAT COME AFTER HERE. CAN I STOP AND ASK A QUESTION? YES, JOHN. MR. PAULSON, DO YOU REMEMBER WHEN WE WERE DOING DOUBLE TAKES AT $150, A LINEAR SQUARE FOOT? DO YOU SEE THE NUMBER HERE? ISN'T THERE A RUNNING FOOT? RUNNING FOOT? ARE WE REALLY SAYING $750 A RUNNING FOOT? I KNOW IT'S CURB AND GUTTER RIGHT OF WAY AND EVERYTHING, BUT, MARTY, ARE WE REALLY AT 750? IS THAT THAT'S THAT'S NOT OUR IN THE GROUND COST. THAT'S A KIND OF A BUDGET NUMBER FOR IF WE WERE GOING TO PROGRAM BUILDING THIS OUT FOR MANY YEARS. RIGHT. SO IT'S KIND OF A IT'S GOT A LOT OF CONTINGENCY BUILT INTO THAT NUMBER. BUT I JUST I JUST WANT TO LET THIS LAND. SURE. IT'S A IT'S A BIG NUMBER. AND THAT THAT ALSO INCLUDES NOT ONLY CURB AND GUTTER. IT INCLUDES PORTIONS OF THEM HAVE RIGHT OF WAY, PORTIONS OF THEM HAVE LIGHTING. SO WE CAN TELL THE COMMUNITY THAT TO BUILD THAT 108 MORE MILES OVER THE NEXT DECADE OR TWO, WE'RE I'M NOT I'M JUST I'M JUST PAUSING. I'M NOT. YOU'RE THE MESSENGER, RIGHT. THAT THAT NUMBER IS STARTLING. IT IS. BUT IT WOULD BE IF YOU, YOU KNOW, TO BUILD 108 MILES OF SIDEWALK, IT WOULD BE MUCH WOULD IT COST TO BURY OUR POWER? HOW MUCH WOULD IT COST TO POWER UNDERGROUND? OUR POWER LINES? A LOT MORE THAN THAT. THE UNDERGROUND, THE POWER LINES IS MORE DIFFICULT THAN THE SIDE. YOU'RE JUST.
YOU'RE JUST THE MESSENGER. I JUST HAD I JUST HAD A NOTE BECAUSE I REMEMBER WHEN WE THE NUMBER WAS 150 AND WE'RE LIKE, HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE? YOU'RE RIGHT ANDY, WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS ABOUT SIDEWALK PROJECTS ARE ACTUALLY A BUNCH OF OTHER PROJECTS THAT HAPPEN TO HAVE A SIDEWALK ON TOP. RIGHT. AND THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WHERE THESE NUMBERS COME FROM.
I STILL FIND THIS NUMBER STAGGERING. HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET THIS DOWN USING IT AS A PLUG NUMBER, I GET IT, BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE SPENDING THAT KIND OF MONEY ON SIDEWALKS FOR A LITTLE MORE REFERENCE. SOME OF THE WE'RE DOING SOME ANALYSIS ON SOME OF THESE GAP FILL PROJECTS THAT ARE BY NATURE EASIER ONES AND LESS EXPENSIVE. THEY'RE LESS EXPENSIVE PER UNIT COST AS WELL. AND THEY'RE. IN THE $300. YEAH. AND I ALSO UNDERSTAND WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH LIKE A DOWNHILL SIDEWALK, WHEN YOU'RE GOING DOWN. RIGHT, LIKE THE BURDETTE TO LIKE FOREST, I MEAN, THE BURDETTE TO MOUNT PERRIN IS A BIG SECTION OF IT THAT'S BASICALLY OFF A CLIFF. THAT'S CORRECT. THAT THAT I MEAN, IF YOU'RE BUILDING INTO A HILL, BUILDING A RETAINING WALL IS ONE THING. BUT WHEN YOU'RE DOING FILL IN A MASSIVE WALL, I GET IT. BUT IT'S STILL A STARTLING NUMBER. CERTAINLY. YES. AND AGAIN, SOME OF THESE THAT THAT WILL HAVE LESS WALLS AND LESS INFRASTRUCTURE ARE GOING. THEY'RE STILL TWO 50, 300 A LINEAR FOOT IS AND YOU KNOW IT CAN GO LOWER THAN THAT. BUT THAT'S KIND OF A PROBABLY A MORE ON YOUR AVERAGE SIDEWALK. BUT AGAIN SOME OF THESE HAVE LIGHTS AND UTILITIES THAT WILL HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, NOT NECESSARILY UNDERGROUNDING THEM ALL, BUT A LOT OF MOVEMENT ON.
SO THAT'S A, A BUDGET NUMBER. ALL RIGHT. AND SO THERE'S ONE OF EIGHT, THERE'S EIGHT PAGES OF THIS. I'LL HIT SOME OF THE HIGH POINTS BUT ON THE RIGHT COLUMN. SO THERE'S AGAIN THE
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SLIDES THAT ARE IN THE THAT ARE ON THE WEBSITE RIGHT NOW HAVE A LIST OF WHERE WHAT THESE CATEGORIES MEAN THAT RUN ACROSS THE TOP. SO WE'LL KEEP THAT ON THE WEBSITE AS WELL. THE. THE PER PROJECT COST IS ON THE SECOND TO THE RIGHT AND THE SCORE IS RIGHT BEFORE THAT OVER ON THE RIGHT SIDE. THEN THERE'S A RUNNING TALLY OF THE COST OF THE WHAT THE PROGRAM WOULD BE ON THE VERY RIGHT COLUMN. SO THESE PROJECTS GET STARTED. GO DOWN TO THERE'S A KIND OF A HISTORICALLY FUNDED LINE AT ABOUT 12 MILLION FOR THE FIRST TWO T-SPLOST PROGRAMS. SO WE DREW THAT GREEN LINE AT AROUND 12 MILLION TOTAL, AND THE TOTAL INCLUDES A 10% CONTINGENCY FOR OVERHEAD FOR THE T-SPLOST PROGRAM. SO AS OUR REFERENCE, YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE'S AN ASTERISK ON THE LAKE FOREST BURDETTE TO MOUNT PERRIN SEGMENT WHERE THEY'RE ADDITIONAL POINT FOR RIGHT OF WAY TOOK THEM TO BEING BELOW THE GREEN LINE TO ABOVE THE GREEN LINE THROUGH THEIR THE NEIGHBORHOODS EFFORT ON GETTING THOSE LETTERS. SO THAT'S WE'VE HAD OTHER ONES THAT HAVE BEEN EXECUTED BECAUSE THEY GOT INTO THE FUNDING LINE THROUGH THAT PROGRAM IN THE PAST AS WELL. SO THAT THAT'S WHERE THEY LAND. AND THEN WE HAVE A ANOTHER LINE.SO THAT'S 12 MILLION IF THAT'S THE PROGRAM. AND WE JUST ADDED A LINE HERE AT 20 MILLION IF, IF WITH THE T-SPLOST PROGRAM OR HOWEVER, IF WE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING TO FUND 20 MILLION WORTH, WE WOULD GET THESE 39 SEGMENTS INTO THE, INTO THE PROGRAM OF FUNDED PROJECTS. SO THAT'S JUST A ANOTHER YOU CAN DRAW A LINE ANYWHERE. BUT THAT'S A, THAT'S KIND OF A NUMBER THAT THAT WOULD GO INTO, YOU KNOW OUR CURRENT STAFFING. THAT'S SOMETHING WE FEEL LIKE WE COULD DO. THAT'S JUST A KIND OF A BENCHMARK AS WELL. AND THEN WE KEEP GOING WITH THIS LIST. EIGHT SLIDES AND THEN THE GAP FILLS THE ONES THAT WOULD BE UNDER 20,000 OR 200,000. AND AGAIN, 50,000 IS THE CURRENT POLICY. IF WE IF IT WAS UPDATED TO 200,000, THERE WOULD BE THESE SIX CANDIDATES. AND THERE'S A I SHOULD HAVE PUT AN ASTERISK HERE AS WELL THERE IN THE POWERS FERRY SMALL AREA. THERE ARE A FEW OTHERS ABOVE THE SIX THAT ARE UNDER 200,000.
BUT WE GOT A SLIDE FURTHER DOWN THAT KIND OF WE WOULD PROPOSE TO CONSOLIDATE THOSE AS THEIR OWN CAPITAL PROJECT BECAUSE IT IT MAKES MORE SENSE. IT WOULD IT WOULD MAKE MORE SENSE TO DESIGN AND CONSTRUCT THOSE AS ONE WHOLE PROJECT IN ADDITION TO THEIR GEOGRAPHIC PROXIMITY.
THERE'S ALSO THE POWERS FERRY SMALL AREA STUDY THAT WAS RECENTLY DONE BY OUR TRANSPORTATION UNIT THAT CONSIDERS THE ONE WAY PAIRS WHICH SIDE HAS A SIDE PATH. WE WOULDN'T WANT TO BUILD A SIDEWALK NECESSARILY, WHERE THE SIDE PATH IS PLANNED, SO THERE WOULD BE MORE PLANNING INVOLVED, AND WE WOULD KIND OF PROPOSE TO LOOK AT THAT AREA AS ITS OWN UNIT SLASH PROJECT. AND SO THESE ARE THE SIX THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF THAT POWERS FERRY AREA THAT ARE THE UNDER 200,000 CURRENTLY. AND THEN THIS IS THE THE THESE ARE THE PROJECTS THAT ARE INSIDE THAT POWERS FERRY BLOCK OUT. THE BLUE COATED ONES ARE WITHIN THE 12 MILLION FUNDED AS WELL. SO IF WE WERE GOING TO SO PART OF THE THE LOGIC THERE IS IF THEY WERE GOING TO GET FUNDED BY THE T-SPLOST PROGRAM, ASSUMING THAT MOVES FORWARD AND THAT THERE'S A $12 MILLION OR THE THE NEXT TWO, THE GREEN WOULD BE INSIDE THE 20 MILLION. IF IF THEY WERE GOING TO GET FUNDED ANYWAY, WE WOULD IF WE WERE TOLD TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT LIST, WE WOULD EXECUTE THESE AS ONE PROJECT. WE'VE DONE THAT BEFORE. WE'VE HAD CANDIDATES THAT WERE CLOSE TO EACH OTHER AND WE WOULD EXECUTE THEM LIKE THE CURRENT LAKE FOREST SIDEWALK.
IT WAS TECHNICALLY INTO TWO PROJECTS OR TWO SEGMENTS, AND WE PUT OUT A DESIGN. DOING IT
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AS ONE. SO THAT AND WE FELT LIKE WE GOT SOME VALUE FOR DOING THAT. SO WE WOULD FEEL LIKE WE WOULD GET VALUE BY PUTTING THESE TOGETHER IN ONE PROJECT. WESLEY, CAN I ASK A QUESTION? SURE, SURE. WHERE ARE WE? THE 12 MILLION WAS THE T-SPLOST FOR THE CURRENT T-SPLOST, RIGHT. THAT'S THAT'S WHAT THE CURRENT THE CURRENT 12. I MEAN, WE HAD THE LAKE FOREST DRIVE SEPARATE AND THEN THE 12 MILLION. WHERE'S THE 20 MILLION? I MEAN, ARE YOU ALL SAYING THERE'S SOME ANOTHER 8 MILLION COMING FROM. NO, WE'RE SAYING IF WE WERE TO IF THAT'S THE 12 MILLION AND WE'VE IF WE WERE TO FIND ANOTHER $8 MILLION FOR THE, FOR THE NEXT T-SPLOST FOR THE NEXT T-SPLOST, WE COULD SAY THAT'S WHERE WE WOULD, WE COULD MAKE IT 20 INSTEAD OF 12 IS JUST A THOUGHT BECAUSE IT'S. WELL, NO, I MEAN, THE NEXT T-SPLOST WOULD JUST NEED 8 MILLION TO GET TO 20 MILLION. IS THAT RIGHT? NO. WELL, THE WE'RE THE CURRENT T-SPLOST HAS 12 MILLION, THE CURRENT T-SPLOST HAS 12 MILLION. BUT WE'RE WE'RE WORKING THROUGH EXECUTING AND SPENDING THAT NOW. SO THIS IS THE THIS IS THE FUTURE. THIS IS THE NEXT 12 MILLION AFTER THE CURRENT 12 MILLION. YES. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO KNOW. AND WE THE ONLY REASON WE USE 12 MILLION IS BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE USED BEFORE. IT COULD BE ANYTHING.SO SO THE SO EVERYTHING NONE OF THIS IS UNDER THE CURRENT PROGRAM. NONE OF THIS HAS MONEY.
ALL OF THIS IS FOR THE NEXT 12 OR $20 MILLION, WHICH EITHER COMES FROM OUR GENERAL BUDGET OR THE NEXT T-SPLOST, WHICH IS COMING UP IN IN A YEAR. RIGHT? YEAH. OKAY. AND THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE WANT TO GET THIS KIND OF EITHER CONSENSUS ON IT TONIGHT OR WITH ANY CHANGES BEFORE TOO LONG TO GET IT INTO THE MASTER PLAN TO BE IN THE LIST FOR VOTERS TO SEE WHAT YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE FOR THE FUNDING. MR. WATERS, CAN YOU GO BACK A SLIDE OR TWO? I SAW NORTH RIVER WAS ON THE LIST THAT THE NORTH RIVER DRIVE. GAP FIELD. YES, SIR. IS YOU KNOW, I'M GONNA GO BACK ONE MORE. WHERE? WHERE EXACTLY IS THAT ON NORTH RIVER? IT'S IT'S CLOSE TO ROSWELL ROAD. IF YOU DUNWOODY PLACE OR DUNWOODY PLACE. RIGHT. IT'S DUNWOODY PLACE. GDOT HAS A NEW PLAN FOR THAT AREA. ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH WHAT THEY'RE PLANNING TO DO THERE? YES, SIR. THAT WOULD THAT BE INCORPORATED INTO THAT PROJECT? IT'S FURTHER OFF THAN THAT. SO IT IT'S NOT IN THE SAME PLACE? YES, SIR. OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE WEREN'T DUPLICATING. YES. IT'S A GAP BETWEEN A CHILD CARE FACILITY AND A MULTIFAMILY COMMUNITY THAT I BROUGHT TO STAFF'S ATTENTION. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YEAH, THAT WAS ALL RIGHT, MISS MUELLER. AND THEN DOCTOR KELLY. SO WESLEY THANK YOU. I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS I'VE HEARD FROM RESIDENTS RECENTLY IS THAT THEY'RE ECSTATIC WITH ALL OF THE SIDEWALKS THAT HAVE BEEN PUT IN SINCE THE CITY STARTED.
EVA WAS RECOGNIZED SEVERAL TIMES BY PEOPLE FOR MAKING SURE THAT WAS A FOCUS. I KNOW THAT WHEN I MOVED INTO NORTH SPRINGS 26 YEARS AGO, BRANDON MILL, THERE WAS NO SUCH THING AS A SIDEWALK. THERE ALSO WAS NO SIDEWALK ALONG DALRYMPLE. SO WE'RE NEARING COMPLETION.
PEOPLE ARE VERY HAPPY TO GET THAT SIDEWALK, ALTHOUGH THEY'RE ALSO GOING TO BE HAPPY TO SAY GOODBYE TO THE CONSTRUCTION THERE. ABSOLUTELY. SO THAT IS A GREAT THING BECAUSE YOU'LL BE WE'LL BE ABLE TO WALK. I MEAN, THE CONNECTIVITY FROM THE GREENWAY ALL, IF YOU SO CHOOSE BRANDON MILL, DON DALRYMPLE, DON ROSWELL ROAD TO ABERNATHY AND BACK. SO THAT'S FANTASTIC.
IS THERE FOR THE NEXT UPDATE. WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO DO A SUMMARY TABLE BY DISTRICT? I MEAN, I KNOW THAT THE PROJECT NUMBERING INDICATES THE DISTRICT, RIGHT? THE THREE SIX, THE NUMBER AT THE FIRST ONE. BUT RIGHT, BECAUSE I WENT AND CREATED MY OWN FOR MY DISTRICT.
BUT THAT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE FOR I THINK ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS. SURE. SO WE COULD NOT URGENT BUT JUST SURE DATA POINT AND THEN HAVE WE LOOKED AT OTHER ALTERNATE FUNDING SOURCES ABOVE T-SPLOST FOR SIDEWALKS? WE I MEAN, I DON'T I DON'T KNOW, I MEAN, IS THERE OTHER ALTERNATE FUNDING? I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW. YEAH, WE HAVE TYPICALLY IN THE PAST PRIOR TO T-SPLOST, WE WOULD PUT A SET AMOUNT ASIDE EVERY YEAR OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND. IT WOULD JUST BE A TRANSFER OVER TO THAT. BUT THEN WITH THE ADVENT OF T-SPLOST, IT WAS NATURAL TO MOVE THAT INTO THERE. I MEANT EXTERNAL, NOT CITY LIKE GRANTS OR SOMETHING THROUGH ORGANIZATIONS THAT WOULD HELP WITH THAT, BECAUSE THERE MIGHT BE SOME STREETSCAPE IMPROVEMENT FOR MAJOR CORRIDORS, WHICH WE'VE BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL ALONG ROSWELL ROAD OVER THE YEARS OF USING CDBG DOLLARS TO DO THAT. BUT IN NEIGHBORHOODS, IT'S TYPICALLY VERY, VERY DIFFICULT TO FIND GRANT DOLLARS IF IMPOSSIBLE. OKAY. AND I WOULD SUPPORT THE UPDATE TO THE POLICY FOR THE GAP FILL TO GO FROM 50 TO 200 K. IF THAT'S A QUESTION THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE CONSIDERING.
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THANK YOU. DOCTOR KELLY. ALL RIGHT. SO YEAH, THIS IS THE SLIDE I WANTED US TO START ON.SO I HAVE A I HAVE A PROBLEM. AND I'VE TALKED ABOUT IT FOR A WHILE, BUT I, I'VE GATHERED A BIT OF A CONSENSUS AROUND THE DISTRICT AND 2002, 2003, 2004 AND 2005. THAT'S A SERIOUS STRETCH RIGHT THERE. THAT'S A SERIOUS STRETCH. THOUSANDS OF FAMILIES, A TWO LANE ROAD.
PEOPLE TAKE THEIR LIVES INTO THEIR HANDS WALKING UP AND DOWN THAT STREET EVERY DAY. BABY STROLLERS. I KNOW BECAUSE I HAVE VIDEO IN MY PHONE. I'M GOING TO COMPILE IT. IT'S GOING TO BE A NICE REEL. SO I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THE SCORING ON THESE PROJECTS, FOR EXAMPLE. AND I THINK I'VE ASKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE, THE RIGHT OF WAY AVAILABILITY OUT OF TEN.
LET'S SEE. THEY APPEAR TO BE SCORED AT A THREE. AND THIS IS MOSTLY A LOT OF THESE ARE A BUT MULTI-FAMILY COMMUNITIES. ARE WE SAYING THAT THE APARTMENTS HAVE NO INTEREST IN GIVING US OR HELPING WITH THE RIGHT OF WAY? WELL, WE WE HAVEN'T ASKED THESE PARTICULAR APARTMENTS, BUT HISTORICALLY THEY ARE NOT ABLE TO DONATE. THEY HISTORICALLY ANYTHING, ANY COMMERCIAL TYPE PROPERTY OR THAT HAS A MULTI. OWNERSHIP THAT'S NOT A SINGLE PROPRIETOR TENDS TO HAVE A HARD TIME GETTING LENDER RELEASED TO DONATE RIGHT OF WAY. SO WE'VE HISTORICALLY HAD A HARD TIME GETTING DONATIONS ON MULTIFAMILY OR COMMERCIAL PARCELS. SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, AND THIS MAY NOT BE FOR YOUR TEAM, BUT HOW DID WE DO IT WITH TRAIL SEGMENT TWO A HOW DID WE SECURE THAT? KRISTEN LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE GRABBING THE MIC. WALK ME THROUGH THAT FOR A SECOND. SO FOR OUR TRAIL SEGMENT TWO A THAT WAS A HUGE LIFT WITH OUR NONPROFIT PARTNERS. SO BOTH THE PATH FOUNDATION AND THE SANDY SPRINGS CONSERVANCY TOOK THE LEAD THERE IN WORKING WITH ALL OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS AND COORDINATING THAT. AND IT WAS A HUGE LIFT TO CONVINCE THE APARTMENT COMPLEX TO DONATE THAT RIGHT OF WAY. AND IT TOOK A LOT OF EFFORT ON BEHALF OF THOSE TWO NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS. SO THE ISSUE IS EFFORT AND COORDINATION. OKAY. GOT IT. YES. SO IF THERE'S TIME, I'D LIKE TO WORK TOWARD THAT IN SOME WAY. I DON'T Y'ALL CAN HELP ME WITH THE TIMELINE, BUT I KNOW THAT THERE'S AN APPETITE FOR THIS, AND IT'S A HUGE BENEFIT TO THOSE THOSE THOSE COMMUNITIES ON THAT STRETCH. AND IT WOULD GET HIRED IN A THREE IF IT WERE PURSUED. SO EVEN IF STAFF DOESN'T HAVE THE BANDWIDTH, CAN I GET A LITTLE TIME TO PULL SOMETHING TOGETHER? THERE'S A LITTLE ELBOW GREASE IN. SURE I WOULD. I WOULD SAY THAT THERE'S THERE'S TIME FOR THAT. AND IT'S IT'S ALSO A LITTLE BIT RELATED TO WITH THE TRAILS AND WITH THINGS THAT TYPES OF PROJECTS THAT MIGHT BE ELIGIBLE FOR GRANTS. THERE'S, THERE'S IF YOU CONSOLIDATE THOSE INTO ONE LARGER CAPITAL PROJECT, AGAIN, KIND OF GOING WITH VALUE AND. LOOKING AT SOMETHING AS A, AS A UNIT, IT COULD BE PRESENTED AS A TRAIL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND BE PURSUED. FOR OTHER FUNDING OR, AND, OR AS A PROJECT ON ITS OWN THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, BE ABLE TO WE COULD WORK WITH THAT. BUT AGAIN, WE HAVE HAD AND KIND OF TO YOUR POINT, YOU KNOW, WE ON THIS PROGRAM, WE DON'T TYPICALLY GO OUT TO THE INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNERS. WE DON'T GO OUT ON OTHER PROJECTS EITHER. SEGMENTS. WE PUT OUT THE INFORMATION ABOUT RIGHT OF WAY DONATION, LETTER OF INTENT, AND WE COMMUNICATION DOES A GOOD JOB OF HELPING US GET THAT MESSAGE OUT. AND PEOPLE COME TO US TO, YOU KNOW, WITH THEIR INTENT TO DONATE. AND WE, WE, YOU KNOW, CONSIDER THAT WITH THE SCORING. GOOD TO KNOW. BECAUSE THE IRONY AND YOU MENTIONED TRAILS. THE IRONY IS THAT TRAIL SEGMENT TO SEE ESSENTIALLY GOES THAT SAME ROUTE. BUT IT ABUTS THE WATERWAY. SO IT'S OF NOTE THAT THE, THE IRONY IS THAT WE MIGHT POTENTIALLY BUILD AND ANOTHER EIGHT FIGURE TRAIL THAT ACCOMMODATES THE RIVERSIDE OF THAT STRETCH. BUT THE PRACTICAL SIDE WHERE WE REALLY NEED A SIDEWALK TO CONNECT FOLKS TO MARTA STATIONS AND SCHOOLS AND PARKS AND SUCH, WE DON'T HAVE IT. SO I JUST IT WOULD JUST
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BREAK MY HEART TO SEE US PUT ANOTHER, I DON'T KNOW, UMPTEEN MILLION INTO A BEAUTIFUL TRAIL WHILE THE SIDEWALKS SERVICING THE SAME PEOPLE HAVE YET ARE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE LIST. SO IF I COULD. SO I'M JUST ASKING FOR A LITTLE MORE TIME TO WORK THROUGH WITH SOME OF THESE STAKEHOLDERS, BECAUSE I THINK THIS CAN GET AT LEAST IN THAT CATEGORY. ONE ONE MORE QUESTION ABOUT CATEGORIES. SO I'M LOOKING AT PROXIMITY TO PARKS VERSUS PROXIMITY TO SCHOOLS FOR THESE PROJECTS, PROXIMITY TO PARKS. ALL THE PROJECTS HAVE A ZERO, EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE WALKING DISTANCE. WELL I, I I'LL ASK YOU PROXIMITY TO PARKS. IS THAT NOT DOES THAT NOT HAVE ANY PROXIMITY TO MORGAN FALLS. IT IT DOES BUT IT'S NOT CLOSE ENOUGH. THERE'S A THE I DON'T HAVE THE NUMBERS IN FRONT OF ME, BUT I CAN GET THOSE TO YOU ON. THERE'S A, A TIERED LEVEL OF WITHIN A CERTAIN DISTANCE IT GETS A12, THREE DOWN. MORGAN FALLS IS A IS A PRETTY FAR WALK FROM THERE. OKAY. SO IT'S FURTHER AWAY THAN WHAT THE CRITERIA ALLOWS FOR. BUT I CAN GET YOU THOSE NUMBERS. AND IT IS WALKING DISTANCE FROM OUR ATHLETIC COMPLEX THOUGH. I MEAN IT'S CLOSER TO THAT. IT'S IT'S THERE'S PEDESTRIAN I THINK THE THE IDEA THERE IS THAT'S NOT WASN'T CONSIDERED AS A PUBLIC PARK. OKAY. THAT COULD BE FAIR. THAT COULD BE DISCUSSED BECAUSE THAT IT IS A, A A SPORTS FACILITY. BUT THAT'S THE CRITERIA AS CURRENTLY SET UP IS FOR PUBLIC PARKS. AND TO YOUR POINT, A LITTLE BIT MORE, SOME WE'VE WE'VE KIND OF FILTERED OUT SOME OF THE LARGER CAPITAL TYPE PROJECTS THAT MAYBE SIDE PATHS AND THINGS LIKE THAT FROM THIS, THIS PRIORITY SCORED LIST, IT MAY BE THAT, THAT THE RUN ALONG ADAIR LANE IS IT DOESN'T EXACTLY FIT THE SCOPE OF THIS PROGRAM IN A WAY. BUT THEN TO YOUR POINT, THERE'S A LOT OF THESE PEOPLE THAT COULD USE IT WOULD BE ABLE TO GO ALONG THE THE ROAD WHERE IT'S NEEDED. SO WE'RE KIND OF INSIDE THE CRITERIA THAT WE'RE USING THIS. THAT'S THE SCORE THAT COMES OUT.BUT THERE'S THERE'S NO DOUBT THERE'S A NEED AND WOULD BE USED. ALL RIGHT. WOULD YOU SAY THAT THE PROXIMITY TO PARKS CRITERIA AND THE PROXIMITY TO SCHOOLS CRITERIA ARE AT LEAST SIMILAR, LIKE THE METRIC. THEY'RE SIMILAR. YES. OKAY. BECAUSE IT'S I MEAN, FROM WHAT I'M SEEING, FOR EXAMPLE, 8060 ADAIR LANE IS ABOUT THE SAME AMOUNT OF DISTANCE FROM ICE AND SPRINGS ELEMENTARY TO MORGAN FALLS. I MEAN, IT'S IT'S KIND OF JUST FROM WHAT I'M SEEING, JUST PRELIMINARILY LOOKING AT GOOGLE. SO I'M JUST INTERESTED IN HOW, YOU KNOW, FOR ONE CRITERIA, IT GETS A FOUR OUT OF FIVE AND THE OTHER ONE JUST A ZERO. WE CAN ON THAT. EVEN ON THAT PARTICULAR ONE, WE CAN GO THROUGH AND GET YOU THAT ANALYSIS. OKAY. AND I'LL STOP THERE. I JUST REALLY WANTED TO BUY MYSELF SOME TIME. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MAYOR. MR. BOWMAN, AS IT RELATES TO SCHOOLS, I CAN REMEMBER BACK WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME SEVEN, EIGHT, NINE YEARS AGO. GABE WAS ON THE COUNCIL AND MAKING SURE, PARTICULARLY WITH THE ELEMENTARY AND MIDDLE SCHOOLS, THAT WE HAD LOOKED REALLY CLOSELY AT PROXIMITY TO SCHOOL ALMOST AS A SEPARATE CATEGORY. SO IF THERE ARE IF THERE ARE STRETCHES THAT THEY ACTUALLY GOT, THEY ALMOST GOT SUPER PRIORITY. I THINK ACTUALLY, I THINK THE HISTORY IS THAT PROXIMITY TO SCHOOL WAS ACTUALLY A SUPER PRIORITY THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, IT COULD SCORE NOTHING ON THE REST OF THEM. BUT WE I REMEMBER LIKE FOREST ELEMENTARY AND A COUPLE OF OTHER PLACES, WE WERE TRYING TO GET SIDEWALKS WHERE PEOPLE WALKING TO SCHOOLS, WE WERE TRYING TO GET SIDEWALKS. AND SO THAT THAT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD LOOK AT, LOOK AT. IF THERE ARE ANY SEGMENTS AROUND THE CITY THAT MIGHT BE PROXIMITY TO SCHOOL. I IF THE OLDER, THE OLD, THE OLD GUYS OUT HERE, YOU CAN REMEMBER THAT WE DID THAT FOR A WHILE. I HAVE A COUPLE QUICK COMMENTS. I TOTALLY SUPPORT THE 200 K GAP FILL. THOSE ARE THOSE ARE SORT OF LEVERAGED PROJECTS WHERE YOU FILL A GAP, YOU CREATE A BIG DEAL. ARE WE STILL RELENTLESSLY PURSUING UNDER-CONSTRUCTION PROPERTIES? MEANING AND WE SEE THIS A LOT IN DISTRICT SIX, THAT IF YOU KNOW A PROJECT IS ON THE CURRENT LIST OR EVEN AT THIS POINT, THE NEXT 12 OR $20 MILLION THAT WE THERE'S NO TIME LIKE THE PRESENT TO MAKE SURE. AND WE'RE SEEING THE BENEFITS THAT ON LAKE FOREST DRIVE, WHEN THEY BUILT THOSE HOMES, THEY SET BACK THE UTILITIES, THEY
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SET BACK THE LANDSCAPING. ARE WE STILL RELENTLESSLY PURSUING THAT AROUND THE CITY? WE ARE, YES. AND, YOU KNOW, WE'LL WE'LL ENGAGE WITH THE DEVELOPER IF IF THERE'S A CURRENT PROJECT OR A PENDING PROJECT, BUT ALSO THE THE CODE CALLS FOR ANYTHING ON THE SIDEWALK MASTER PLAN TO BE COORDINATED IN THAT WAY. IT CALLS FOR DONATION RIGHT AWAY. BUT. RIGHT. BUT WHEN THEY'RE ACTUALLY COMING TO BUILD, THERE'S MUCH MORE DETAIL THAN I CAN SURE CONGRATULATE OR PRAISE THE GROUP, THE ONES THAT I'VE SEEN DIRECTLY EVERY DAY. IT'S MADE A BIG DIFFERENCE, RIGHT? YEAH. THE COMMUNICATION HAS HELPED. ALL RIGHT. TWO OTHER COUPLE QUICK THINGS. HOW CAN WE EXECUTE FASTER? THERE'S THERE'S I MEAN IS IT MONEY I MEAN CAN WE IS IT COORDINATION. BUT THIS IS REALLY A LOT OF A LOT OF IT'S REALLY REALLY I MEAN WE'RE SEEING NOW PART OF WHAT'S HAPPENED ON LAKE FOREST DRIVE IS THAT WE ACTUALLY ACCELERATED PHASE ONE. SO NOW THEREFORE PHASE TWO IS LOOKING LIKE IT'S REALLY, REALLY SLOW. BUT ALL ACROSS THE CITY, BRANDON MILL, EVERYWHERE THERE'S THE MONEY IS ONE THING. AND YOU KNOW THERE'S. FOR SOME OF THESE PROJECTS AGAIN IF CAN WE COME BACK EDEN. CAN WE COME BACK AND LOOK AT A, YOU KNOW, IN TIME FOR THE NEXT RETREAT AND EXECUTE FASTER PLAN? SURE. A LOT OF THIS QUITE HONESTLY, GOES BACK TO THE RIGHT OF WAY AND HOW MUCH TIME IT TAKES TO NEGOTIATE WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS. WORK THROUGH ALL OF THOSE DETAILS. I'M NOT HAPPY ABOUT IT EITHER. THEY HEAR IT FROM ME EVERY OTHER WEEK. BUT YES, WE CAN COME BACK WITH A PRESENTATION THAT EXPLAINS IF MONEY WERE NO OBJECT. HOW? I MEAN, IT'S I MEAN, IT'S JUST A FUNCTION OF SENDING, YOU KNOW, RIGHT OF WAY COORDINATORS. SO I THINK ALL OF US WOULD AGREE EXECUTION. I'VE RECENTLY RECEIVED SOME FEEDBACK ON ACCESSIBILITY, NOT ON NEW PROJECTS. AND MARTY AND I JUST TALKED ABOUT THIS EARLIER. I HAD A I MET A WOMAN WHO IS BLIND AND SHE HAS A SERVICE DOG, AND SHE MENTIONED A PARTICULAR LOCATION, WHICH I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE FOLLOWING UP WITH ON ROSWELL ROAD. WHETHER WE HAVE A PROCESS TO DETERMINE WHETHER WE'VE GOT ACCESSIBILITY ISSUES STILL IN THE CITY AS IT RELATES TO EXISTING BUILT SIDEWALKS, AND JUST SO THAT THOSE FOLKS NEEDS ARE BEING ADDRESSED, YOU KNOW, PARTICULARLY SOMEBODY THAT LIVES IN A WALKABLE AREA, A LOT OF TIMES, FOLKS THAT MAYBE HAVE OR ARE SEEING IMPAIRED CHOOSE TO LIVE IN A WALKABLE AREA IN AN URBAN LOCATION SO THEY CAN, IN FACT, GET TO PLACES. SO LET'S MAKE SURE WE'RE CHECKING THAT. AND TO DO YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THAT OR JUST LIKE TO MAKE A NOTE OF IT, I WOULD JUST SAY THAT THE THE CURRENT LEVEL ON THOSE TYPES OF ISSUES ARE WHERE WE RECEIVE COMPLAINTS. WE GO, WELL, ADDRESS THOSE SO WE WAIT FOR COMPLIANCE. OKAY. WELL THAT'S, THAT'S THAT'S A GOOD WAY TO DO IT. THAT'S A A WAY TO DO IT. THAT'S, THAT'S HOW YOU KNOW THE THINGS. OR WE COULD LOOK AT OUR HIGHEST TRAFFICKED AREAS. AND I MEAN THERE'S THINGS LIKE THE I'M NOT AN EXPERT IN THIS, BUT THE AUDIBLE CROSSWALKS, I MEAN, ALL OF THOSE THINGS THAT YOU CAN DO TO CREATE A MORE ACCESSIBLE ENVIRONMENT. RIGHT? OKAY. AND I WOULD MAKE NOTE FOR I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT IS, BUT FOR AND I'LL AND I SEE A COUPLE OF FOLKS INTERESTED IN DISTRICT SIX, THE NORTH SIDE DRIVE FROM THE NEW ROUNDABOUT DOWN TO POWERS FERRY LANDING AREA IS REALLY A CRITICAL PIECE TO CONNECT FOLKS TO THE RIVER. SO JUST FOR THE MINUTES AND FOR PEOPLE WHO MAY BE INTERESTED IN DISTRICT SIX IN THE FUTURE, PLEASE LET'S MAKE NOTE OF THAT SEGMENT AND THE TRANSFORMATIVE EFFECT THAT WOULD HAVE ON HUNDREDS OF HOMES AND GETTING FOLKS SAFELY DOWN TO THE RIVER.SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE NOTE AND MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S THAT MAY BE ONE OF THOSE PROJECTS THAT FALLS INTO A DIFFERENT CATEGORY OF CONSTRUCTION BECAUSE OF THE MORE TRAIL LIKE AND MAYBE A SPECIAL CASE FOR I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S ON HERE. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE NOTE. AND FOLKS IN DISTRICT SIX MAKE NOTE OF THAT FOR THE FUTURE. OKAY. I'VE GOT A NOTE HERE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, MR. PAULSON? THANK YOU MAYOR. THANK YOU. THIS IS AN INCREDIBLY COMPLEX PROJECT BECAUSE WE HAVE SUCH A BIG CITY, SIDEWALKS ALL OVER THE PLACE AND LACK OF SIDEWALKS ALL OVER.
I'M GOING TO LIMIT THIS TO THREE CONVERSATIONS. ONE IS I THINK THESE PROJECTS ARE ARE GOOD ONES TO HAVE. I'VE GOT ONE HERE THAT IS THE DARNDEST ONE. IT'S CALLED DUNWOODY ROAD AND DUNWOODY CAME UP DUNWOODY ROAD, RIGHT, AND REDID THAT WHOLE SIDEWALK. IT'S FANTASTIC AREA AND GOT TO THE SANDY SPRINGS CITY LINE, AND THEY STOPPED FROM THE SANDY SPRINGS CITY LINE TO SPALDING DRIVE. THERE IS 200FT, 300FT, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. OKAY. IT'S NOT A BIG ONE.
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IN FACT, AT ONE POINT THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT CAN WE GET THE DUNWOODY CONTRACTOR TO JUST ADD 200FT OF SIDEWALK ONTO HIS PROJECT? AND BECAUSE IT'S DEKALB, IT'S DONE. WHAT? HE WASN'T SANDY SPRINGS, I GET IT. THAT WAS HARD TO DO. BUT THIS IS A GAP FILL PROJECT THAT I THINK IS NEEDED. PEOPLE WALK THAT WAY ALL THE TIME, AND IT JUST IT DOESN'T LOOK GOOD THAT THE ONLY AREA THAT ISN'T DOESN'T HAVE SIDEWALK IS THIS 200 FOOT STRETCH THAT JUST GOT CAUGHT UP BETWEEN THE GOT CAUGHT HERE. RIGHT. SO I'M GLAD IT'S ON HERE. LET'S MAKE SURE WE TAKE CARE OF IT. I'M IN FAVOR OF THE 200,000 STUFF. JUST COSTS MORE THAN IT USED TO COST. OKAY. IS THERE ANY WAY THAT THIS. YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER THIS TODAY? IS THERE ANY.YOU CAN TAKE THESE GAP FILLED PROJECTS AND MAKE THEM DESIGN BUILD PROJECTS. AND HERE'S WHY I'M SAYING THAT THESE AREN'T COMPLICATED. THIS DUNWOODY ROAD ONE IS IT'S 200FT OF ROAD. IT'S FIVE FOOT WIDE SIDEWALK. IT'S. SO ANYWAY, THE POINT IS, IS THERE A WAY TO GET A BETTER PRICE OUT OF THIS? IF YOU MADE THESE DESIGN BUILD FOR SIDEWALK CONTRACTORS? OKAY. JUST THERE'S A WAY TO DO IT. LET'S DO IT. IF WE SAVE SOME MONEY, WE CAN LOOK INTO THAT. WE'VE WE'VE LOOKED INTO CERTAIN IN THIS CURRENT T-SPLOST WE WERE ABLE TO WHAT WE JUST USE THE WORD BUNDLE.
SEVERAL OF THE GAP FILLS INTO ONE DESIGN CONTRACT. WE ENDED UP BIDDING THEM OUT SEPARATELY TO CONTRACTORS, BUT WE WERE ABLE TO CONSOLIDATE THE DESIGN WORK AND ENDED UP WITH A LOWER UNIT COST THERE. SO WE'VE WE'VE TRIED TO USE TOOLS AT OUR DISPOSAL, AND WE CAN KEEP LOOKING AT THAT AND SEE WHERE WE CAN COME IN IS WITH THE PERMITTING AND THESE BEING DISPERSED THROUGHOUT, IT'S KIND OF TOUGH TO GET SOMEBODY THAT THAT COULD BE ABLE TO HANDLE EVERYTHING AND ALL THE PLUS WITH ON THESE DESIGNS BACK TO THE RIGHT OF WAY, WE THE PROGRAM CALLS FOR US TO ACCEPT DONATIONS FOR THE RIGHT OF WAY. THE CONSULTANTS THAT WOULD NORMALLY HELP WITH THESE PROJECTS, THEY'RE THEY'RE SET UP TO PURCHASE THE RIGHT OF WAY.
AND THAT THAT DOES BECOME SOMETHING THAT LIKE THAT CAN HELP KIND OF SLOW THINGS DOWN.
BUT THAT'S THERE'S THERE'S A FEW OBSTACLES IN THE WAY OF JUST DOING A TRUE DESIGN BUILD, AND THOSE ARE A COUPLE OF THEM. BUT WE'VE TRIED TO WE'VE TRIED TO BUNDLE THEM TOGETHER AND WE TRIED WITH CONSTRUCTION AND WE'LL TRY THAT AGAIN ESPECIALLY. AND THAT'S KIND OF THE IDEA OF THIS POWERS FERRY AREA. SOME OF THESE WOULD BE UNDER 200,000 ALONE. SO WE'RE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, WE'LL DO THE THINGS THAT IN OUR CURRENT TOOLBOX AND WE'LL KEEP LOOKING FOR OTHER OPPORTUNITIES. WELL, AGAIN, SOME OF THESE ARE JUST SO SIMPLE. I WILL TELL YOU, ALL THE SIDEWALK CONTRACTORS IN THE STATE OF GEORGIA ARE LICKING THEIR LIPS WHEN THEY HEAR US TALK ABOUT SPENDING $750 A LINEAR FOOT FOR SIDEWALK. THE CONCRETE FOR THAT LINEAR FOOT COSTS ABOUT $30 $20. OKAY, THERE'S A CURRENT CONTRACTOR WAY MORE TO IT THAN THAT. BUT ANYWAY. BUT ANYWAY, SO THANKS FOR THE DUNWOODY ROAD. THE IDEA OF TRYING TO SAVE MONEY ON SOME OF THESE SIMPLE PROJECTS. I'D LIKE US TO CONSIDER THAT. AND THEN THE OTHER PART OF THIS IS IF WE WERE A CITY AND A RURAL CITY JUST DIDN'T HAVE A LOT OF MONEY, HOW WOULD THEY APPROACH THESE SIDEWALKS? I PROMISE YOU, A LITTLE BITTY TOWN IN SOUTH GEORGIA, THEY'RE NOT SPENDING $750 A LINEAR FOOT FOR SIDEWALKS. THEY LOOK AT THESE THINGS DIFFERENTLY. AND I GUESS MY CHALLENGE TO TO STAFF IS, IS THERE ANY WAY TO LOOK AT THESE THINGS DIFFERENTLY? ONE EXAMPLE I TALKED ABOUT ONCE WAS, CAN WE HAVE A CLASSIFICATION CALLED TEMPORARY SIDEWALK. AND TEMPORARY SIDEWALK MEANS THIS IS THE LEAST EXPENSIVE WAY TO BUILD A SIDEWALK. AND IF YOU HAVE TO GO INTO THAT AREA, YOU CAN TEAR THAT SIDEWALK UP, BUILD IT, AND REBUILD IT AGAIN FOR 10% OF THE COST THAT WE'RE SOMETIMES SPENDING ON SOME OF THESE. MY POINT IS, IS THERE ANOTHER WAY TO DO SOME OF THESE SIDEWALKS THAT WE MAKE IT SIMPLE. MAYBE WE JUST DON'T DO EVERYTHING WE NEED TO DO, KNOWING THAT IF WE HAVE TO GO BACK IN THAT AREA, WE TEAR THE SIDEWALK UP. BUT WE SAVED A BUNCH OF MONEY ON THE FRONT END, AND WE DON'T HAVE TO GO BACK IN THERE FOR TEN YEARS TO FIX A PIPE. THAT'S MONEY WE'VE SAVED. WE'LL JUST SPEND IT. OKAY, SO ANYWAY, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW DO WE GET HOW DO WE LOOK AT THIS FROM ANOTHER VIEW? AND WE DON'T NEED AN ANSWER TODAY. BUT I'M JUST TELLING YOU, THERE'S SO MUCH MONEY AND THE STAGGERING COST FOR SIDEWALKS JUST THERE'S GOT TO BE A BETTER WAY TO DO THIS. FOR WHAT I CONSIDER TO BE SIMPLE SIDEWALKS. AND I KNOW, MARTY, YOU DON'T LIKE THE TERM SIMPLE SIDEWALKS.
SO NONE OF THEM ARE SIMPLE. BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S JUST AN OPEN CHALLENGE, YOU GUYS. THERE'S GOT TO BE ANOTHER WAY TO LOOK AT THESE THINGS, GUYS. THERE'S GOT TO BE THAT'S THAT'S MY MY PREACHING FOR THE NIGHT. ALL RIGHT, SIR, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, IF WE COULD WE WOULD LIKE TO ASK IF ON THE PROPOSAL FOR THE GAP FILL SEGMENTS, THE $200,000 LIMIT AND THE RECOMMENDED
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CANDIDATE PROJECTS FOR THOSE, ANY OBJECTION? WE WOULD LIKE TO GET YOUR CONSENSUS ON THAT THIS EVENING IF WE COULD. ANY OBJECTION. SO SO ORDERED. GO. THANK YOU. HOW LONG WILL IT TAKE US TO GET THOSE DONE? IF WE IF YOU HAVE, SINCE YOU HAVE OUR APPROVAL, I'LL LET THE MASTER HANDLE IT. SO FOR, YOU KNOW, NOW I HAVE TO COMMIT TO A TIMELINE. RIGHT. SO THE FOR THE SIMILAR PROJECTS THAT WE HAD ON T-SPLOST 2021, WE HAD THEM. I'M GOING THROUGH THE MATH. WITHIN A YEAR AND A HALF WE HAD MOST OF THOSE DONE. SO SIX PROJECTS WOULD TAKE A YEAR AND A HALF.IT COULD GO FASTER THAN THAT, BUT WE HAVE TO GET THE RIGHT OF WAY THAT HARDLY ANY OF THEM ARE JUST RIGHT OF WAY FREE. THAT'S WHY THEY'RE NOT $50,000. THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE THEY'RE ACROSS SEVERAL PARCELS. SO WE HAVE TO COORDINATE WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS. AND THERE'S INEVITABLY A FEW UTILITIES. SO THE DESIGN, YOU KNOW, SIX MONTHS TO BID, THE THING, YOU KNOW, TAKES, YOU KNOW, A FEW MONTHS MINIMUM. SO THERE'S THERE'S JUST TIME BUILT IN FOR THOSE KINDS OF PROCESS THINGS. WE CAN GET HELP. WE'VE GOT HELP FROM PURCHASING ON, YOU KNOW, ACCELERATING SOME OF THOSE THINGS. BUT SO I'M GIVING YOU, I THINK, A PROBABLY A LITTLE CONSERVATIVE YEAR AND A HALF IS WHAT, WHAT I WOULD COMMIT TO. BUT WE COULD CERTAINLY WORK TO DO IT FASTER, MR. MAYOR. DAN, BUILDING SIDEWALKS, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S COVERED UNDER EMINENT DOMAIN? YEAH, IT'S PUBLIC USE. IT IS. AND HOW ABOUT PERMITTING, DO WE HAVE YOU MENTIONED PERMITTING? DO WE HAVE TO GET A PERMIT FROM OURSELVES TO BUILD OUR OWN SIDEWALKS? I MEAN, THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. TECHNICALLY WE DON'T. BUT AS PART OF OUR PROCESS, WE DO IT FOR IF IT TECHNICALLY WE DON'T, WHY DO WE DO IT? IT JUST DELAYS THINGS. WE DO IT FOR TO, FOR. VISIBILITY. BECAUSE WE ARE BUILDING GOING TO BE VISIBLE.
RIGHT. WE'RE IF WE DEVIATE FROM ANY CODE THAT WOULD INCREASE THE PRICE AND INCREASE THE TIME IT WOULD TAKE TO TO BUILD IT TO THE FULL SECTION, WE DOCUMENT A DEVIATION FROM THE CODE. SO WE DO A PERMITTING PROCESS TO. FILL OUT THAT DOCUMENTATION. AND WE WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO EXERCISE. WE THE TYPE OF PROJECT WOULD GIVE US EMINENT DOMAIN. BUT REQUESTING DONATIONS. WE CAN'T EXERCISE THAT WITH THIS PROGRAM BECAUSE WE EMINENT DOMAIN REQUIRES THAT YOU OFFER TO PAY FOR THE PROPERTY FIRST. SO THAT'S KIND OF A CHALLENGE WE HAVE WITH THE WITH THE PROGRAM. AND DAN, IS THERE A WAY TO TO SHORTCUT THIS? WELL, 11. I WOULD MAKE TO YOU IS THAT AS A AS A PRACTICE, THIS COUNCIL HAS BEEN HESITANT TO USE EMINENT DOMAIN IN RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS. YOU CAN COUNT ON TWO HANDS THE NUMBER OF TIMES YOU USED EMINENT DOMAIN. AND THIS IS FOR ROADWAYS. IT YOU JUST IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT YOU HAVE BEEN READY TO DO QUITE FRANKLY. MISS ROCHELLE, I JUST WANT TO HOW OFTEN DO WE NEED TO USE EMINENT DOMAIN TO GET THE SIDEWALKS? IF WE START WITH DONATION AND THEN WE OFFER TO PAY, THEN. WELL, I THINK WESLEY WAS ABOUT TO GIVE YOU THE PROCESS. IF YOU USE EMINENT DOMAIN, THERE ARE STEPS YOU HAVE TO TAKE PRIOR TO THE USE OF EMINENT DOMAIN. BEFORE THOSE STEPS ARE TAKEN. I THINK WE HAVE BEEN DEALING WITH A POLICY FROM THE COUNCIL THAT YOU TRY NOT TO USE EMINENT DOMAIN IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, AND KEEP IN MIND, TOO, THAT I'M TELLING YOU, I'M NOT BEING FUNNY OR FACETIOUS, BUT A SIDEWALK IS A RUNNING PROJECT, AND IF IT'S 200FT LONG OR 300 YARDS LONG, ALL IT TAKES IS THREE PEOPLE MIDWAY AND YOU DON'T HAVE A SIDEWALK. AND THEN YOU GOT TO GO THROUGH THE EMINENT DOMAIN TO DO IT. AND AGAIN, THAT POLICY IS DOES SLOW DOWN THE PROJECT, AND IT MOVES THE PROJECT TO ANOTHER AREA WHERE PEOPLE WILL GIVE THE THE RIGHT OF WAY. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT DUNWOODY ROAD, LIKE JOHN WAS TALKING ABOUT, BECAUSE I MET MARTY OVER THERE PROBABLY YEARS AGO AND LOOKED AT THAT, AND I NEVER UNDERSTOOD WHY WE DIDN'T WORK WITH DUNWOODY ON THAT. DO WE EVER? I MEAN, DO WE HAVE IF WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY, DO WE TRY TO WORK WITH ANOTHER CITY? WE WE DO. WE HAD WE HAVE WORKED WITH THE CITY OF ATLANTA ON DUDLEY LANE. WE ENTERED INTO AN INTERGOVERNMENTAL AGREEMENT FOR US TO FINISH FROM THE CITY
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LIMIT DOWN TO CHASTAIN PARK. AND WE INVOICED WE OUR WE DESIGNED IT. WE PERMITTED IT WITHIN ATLANTA. WE CONSTRUCTED IT OR HIRED THE CONTRACTOR. THE CITY OF ATLANTA ENTERED INTO THE AGREEMENT. WHEN WE WERE GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY. CITY OF DUNWOODY IN THIS CASE, OFFERED TO DESIGN AND BUILD IT FOR US. WE WOULD HAVE HAD TO ENTER INTO THE INTERGOVERNMENTAL AGREEMENT AND AGREED TO PAY THE AMOUNT. DURING THAT TIME, WE DIDN'T HAVE THE FUNDING TO BACK UP THAT AGREEMENT, SO WE DIDN'T END UP PROCEEDING BECAUSE THE FUNDING WAS NOT THERE OR.IMMINENT. SO WE DIDN'T, AND IT WAS HIGHER THAN THE FUNDING ON THE SIDEWALK PROGRAM GOT PHIL TO BE ABLE TO WORK IT THERE. IF IT WERE TODAY, AND WE HAVE THE 200,000, IT'S UNDER 200,000. WE COULD PROCEED WITH THE IGA, WITH DUNWOODY AND WE COULD HAVE GOT IT DONE. SO THAT'S KIND OF, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WORKING THROUGH THE PROCESSES, WE DID HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AND WE DIDN'T HAVE THE FUNDING AVAILABLE TO. DO YOU REMEMBER IF YOU CAME TO US AND ASKED US FOR ADDITIONAL MONEY? WE DISCUSSED IT THROUGH STAFF BRIEFINGS. I. AND THE AT THE TIME. SO I DON'T REMEMBER ALL THE DETAILS, BUT I THINK IT WAS DISCUSSED. SO WOULD THAT PROJECT BE ONE OF THE ONES I KNOW? THE GAP PHIL ADDRESSES THAT YOU SHOWED US BEFORE? WOULD THIS BE INCLUDED WITH THE TWO? THAT'LL BE THE 200,000. SO WHAT'S ON THE SCREEN NOW? DUNWOODY ROAD GAP IS ONE OF THE ONE OF THE SIX THAT WOULD BE INCLUDED. OKAY, THANKS. ALL RIGHT, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE'LL END THE PUBLIC WORKS SECTION OF THE OF THE WORK
[III. City Council Discussion Items ]
SESSION. MR. BOWMAN, I THINK YOU'VE GOT SOMETHING UNDER COUNCIL DISCUSSION ITEMS. YES.THANK YOU. AND I THINK WE'VE ALL BEEN HEARING FROM A LOT OF PEOPLE, BOTH AT NORTH SPRINGS AND AT RIVERWOOD, ABOUT THE ABOUT THE SPEEDING OF THE SCHOOL, SPEEDING TICKETS THAT PEOPLE ARE RECEIVING IN MASS RIGHT NOW. AND JUST WANTED TO SEE IF WE CAN TALK ABOUT THIS PUBLICLY. IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE ARE SOME COMBINATION OR TWO PATHS WE CAN GO WITH, EITHER SUSPEND THE PROCESS OR INCREASE THE SIGNAGE. MR. LEE'S TALKED ABOUT LIGHTS ON THE SIGNAGE. I MEAN, WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE GETTING QUESTIONS ABOUT THE CALIBRATION. I KNOW ALL OF US ARE GETTING THESE QUESTIONS, FOLKS THAT ARE SWEAR THEY'RE NOT SPEEDING. AND IT'S A TRICKY SITUATION BECAUSE THE GOAL OF THIS IS, IS, IS IS COMPLETELY WORTHY. AND THERE'S SPEEDING EVERYWHERE. THE ANALOGY, THOUGH, I'VE BEEN SORT OF THINKING ABOUT IT, IS IF YOU HAVE A CLASSROOM AND WE TALKED ABOUT THIS EARLIER, 15 STUDENTS ALL GET THE THE QUESTION WRONG.
MAYBE YOU HAVE A TEACHING PROBLEM. SO WE'VE GOT SO MANY PEOPLE RECEIVING THESE TICKETS RIGHT NOW. EDEN, I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN LOOKING AT OPTIONS. ONE THING I HAD ASKED ABOUT WAS WHETHER WE COULD RETURN TO, YOU KNOW, MULTIPLE WARNINGS, $5 TICKETS, $10 TICKETS, SO THAT WHEN SOMEBODY BY THE TIME THEY'VE GOTTEN THEIR FIFTH OR SIXTH TICKET, FOURTH TICKET, THIRD TICKET, THERE'S LESS TO COMPLAIN ABOUT. BUT WHERE DO WE STAND ON THIS? AND WE HAVE A WHOLE BODY HERE WHO'S GETTING DIFFERENT INPUTS FROM FOLKS SOONER RATHER THAN LATER. WE DON'T HAVE ANOTHER MEETING FOR SEVERAL WEEKS. SO IS THERE SOMETHING WHAT ARE OUR OPTIONS? AND MAYBE CAN WE LOOK AT SO I CAN GIVE YOU CONSENSUS? YES, I CAN GIVE YOU SOME UPDATED INFORMATION. AS OF FRIDAY, A TOTAL OF 2274 CITATIONS HAVE BEEN ISSUED. OF THOSE, 1736 CITATIONS OCCURRED WHEN THE SIGNS WERE FLASHING TO INDICATE THAT THE SPEED LIMIT WAS REDUCED TO 25MPH. SO THAT'S 76% OF THE TICKETS THAT WERE ISSUED. AND THAT'S DURING THE TIME PERIOD OF 720 TO 8:20 A.M. AND 330 TO 4:30 P.M. FURTHERMORE, THEY HAVE TO BE TRAVELING TEN MILES ABOVE THE POSTED SPEED LIMIT. SO IF THEY RECEIVED A TICKET DURING THAT TIME PERIOD, THEY WERE GOING 35 OR HIGHER. OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT CONDUCTS A QUALITY CONTROL CHECK BEFORE SIGNING OFF ON THE ISSUANCE OF ANY OF THE CITATIONS THAT ARE ISSUED. THAT MEANS THAT AN OFFICER REVIEWS THE FOOTAGE AND MAKES SURE THAT IT IS ONLY ISSUING THE CITATION TO THE VEHICLE, THAT THE TAG IS CLEARLY CAPTURED IN THE FRAME. SO IF THERE ARE TWO CARS THAT MAKE IT THROUGH, THEY DON'T ISSUE THAT ONE. THEY ONLY ISSUE IT WHERE IT IS ONE AND IT'S CLEARLY VISIBLE. FURTHERMORE, DURING THE PERIOD WHEN THE THE LIGHTS WERE NOT FLASHING, BUT
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SCHOOL IS IN SESSION, THE SIGNS ARE ACTIVE AND THEY ARE ISSUING TICKETS STARTING AT 35, BUT AGAIN ONLY FOR VEHICLES GOING 45 OR HIGHER, AND THERE WERE 538 CITATIONS THAT WERE ISSUED THEN. SO THAT'S 23%. WE HAVE ALSO ISSUED 609 WARNINGS THAT WERE ISSUED BEFORE ENFORCEMENT BEGAN, 500 DURING THE FLASHING PERIOD AND 109 DURING REGULAR HOURS. THIS PROGRAM IS VERY CLOSELY REGULATED BY THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY, AND WE DO ANTICIPATE THERE IS GOING TO BE SOME CHANGES DURING THE UPCOMING GENERAL ASSEMBLY. TWO OPTIONS HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED.I'M SURE THE MAYOR CAN WEIGH IN ON THESE FROM THE LAST SESSION, BUT THESE ARE TWO BILLS THAT WILL CARRY FORWARD INTO THE NEXT SESSION. ONE OF THEM DOES AWAY WITH THEM COMPLETELY. YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO HAVE THEM ANYWHERE. THE OTHER BILL CHANGES HOW THEY ARE BEING COLLECTED, AND ALL OF THE FUNDS WOULD HAVE TO BE USED. AND OBVIOUSLY WE'RE NOT IN THIS TO MAKE MONEY OFF OF IT BECAUSE WE'RE NOT. IT WOULD HAVE TO BE DEDICATED TO SCHOOL SAFETY PROGRAMS. SO IN ESSENCE, IT WOULD BE MONEY THAT GOES TO THE SCHOOL. THE SCHOOL SYSTEM WE HAVE LOOKED AT. CAN WE CHANGE THE HOURS OF ENFORCEMENT? STATE LAW DOES NOT ALLOW US TO CHANGE THE HOURS OF ENFORCEMENT WE HAVE LOOKED AT. CAN WE PUT ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE UP? SO THAT WOULD MEAN A LITTLE FURTHER BACK ON DALRYMPLE OR HEARDS FERRY, FOR EXAMPLE, BECAUSE WE ONLY HAVE TWO SETS OF CAMERAS IN THE CITY, WE HAVE ONE SET ON DALRYMPLE THAT IS NEAR NORTH SPRINGS HIGH SCHOOL AND ONE SET ON HEARDS FERRY THAT IS NEAR HEARDS FERRY ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
WE CAN ADD ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE THAT SAYS SPEED AND FORCE CAMERAS AHEAD, AND WE CAN HAVE THAT DONE WITHIN 2 TO 3 WEEKS. OR IF COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO DISCONTINUE THE PROGRAM, THE AGREEMENT WOULD READ. SPEED ALLOWS US TO TERMINATE WITH 60 DAYS NOTICE. THAT AGREEMENT IS ALREADY GOING TO TERMINATE NEXT YEAR ANYWAY, BECAUSE THAT IS THE DATE IN THE ORIGINAL AGREEMENT. AND IF YOU ALL WILL, WILL RECALL, THERE WAS A DELAY HAVING THESE INSTALLED BECAUSE OF THE INTERGOVERNMENTAL AGREEMENT THAT HAD TO BE WORKED OUT WITH FULTON COUNTY SCHOOLS.
SO WE ACTUALLY DIDN'T INSTALL THESE UNTIL LAST YEAR, AND THEY DIDN'T GET TURNED ON UNTIL LAST YEAR. WELL, LET ME FIND THAT ONE MORE WHILE SHE'S LOOKING AT ONE MORE STATUTE. THERE HAVE ONLY BEEN 27 OF THE TICKETS CHALLENGED IN THE CITY COURT. I'VE GOT 27 EMAILS FROM PEOPLE THAT ARE READY TO CHALLENGE COMING UP. SO, I MEAN, IS THAT IS THERE A LAG TO THAT? I MEAN, BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE ALL OF A SUDDEN WE'RE GETTING TONS OF EMAILS ON THESE. SCHOOL JUST WENT BACK INTO SESSION. AND FOLKS, I MEAN, TO CHALLENGE IN COURT MEANS YOU GOT TO LEAVE WORK. YOU GOT TO IT'S A REALLY DIFFICULT PROCESS TO DO IT. SO JUST BECAUSE THERE'S ONLY 27, I MEAN, THAT'S THE STAT, THAT'S THE STAT. BUT THAT'S ALL I MEAN THAT'S I APPRECIATE IT'S A NUMBER, BUT I'VE GOT 27 PEOPLE THAT ARE READY TO THERE WAS NO READY FOR A MUTINY. I HAVE NO EDITORIAL COMMENT TO GO WITH. I'M JUST LETTING YOU KNOW THAT, I MEAN, BECAUSE IT'S IT'S EXTREMELY DISRUPTIVE. BUT THE GOAL IS SO WORTHY TO DO THIS. I MEAN, IF WE I WOULD SAY IF WE DO SUSPEND THIS, WE OUGHT TO PUT SLOW THE F DOWN. YOU'RE RISKING CHILDREN'S LIVES. WE GOT TO DO SOMETHING TO SUBSTITUTE FOR THIS. BUT I WANT TO HEAR FROM EVERYBODY ELSE HERE. BUT IT'S AGAIN, THIS IS NOT A FEW PEOPLE. THIS IS A LOT OF FOLKS. I MEAN, THERE'S SPEEDING EVERYWHERE. THEY'RE JUST GETTING CAUGHT ON THESE TWO CAMERAS. I CAN'T FIND AT MY FINGERTIPS THE AMOUNT OF THE CITATION. BUT I'LL GET THAT 80. OKAY. WELL, I KNOW I WAS GOING TO SAY BECAUSE I KNOW THAT I HAVE PAID 3 OR 4 OF THESE NOT FOR MYSELF, BUT FOR MY MY PEOPLE WHO WORK FOR ME DOWN IN WARNER ROBINS. AND THOSE ARE $130 EACH TIME THEY HAPPEN. THE FIRST ONE IS LIKE 75 OR $80, AND THEN THE SECOND ONE IN EACH ADDITIONAL ONE IS LIKE $130.
AND SO SO I KNOW OTHER PLACES ARE USING THESE TOO. SO KRISTEN AND CAROLINE SAVED ME. IT WAS $75 FOR THE FIRST OFFENSE AND THEN $125 FOR SUBSEQUENT OFFENSES. AND WE DID HAVE A WORK SESSION PRESENTATION FROM CAROLINE. CAN YOU PULL THAT UP? IT WAS FROM 2021. 2021. IT'S NOT WORTH THE TIME. NO. YEAH. THE 125 IS THE. YEAH. AND THEN GET HIM OVER THERE GETTING THEM AT MORE. YEAH. BUT PEOPLE FROM PEOPLE FROM THE WHOLE PEOPLE FROM THE WHOLE CITY AS I JUST TOLD, I TOLD THEM I'VE NEVER RECEIVED ONE COMPLAINT OR ONE EMAIL BY ANYBODY. AND SO BUT
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PEOPLE FROM THE WHOLE CITY HAVE GOT TO BE, YOU KNOW, SENDING THEIR KIDS TO HIGH SCHOOL A LOT.YEAH. IS EVERYBODY ELSE GETTING THEM? I SENT THE EMAILS. THANK YOU, MR. BOWMAN, FOR BRINGING THIS UP. I MEAN, WE ALL SENT THEM TO EACH OTHER. AND THEN I WAS THE ONE THAT WORKED ON TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE OPTIONS ARE. AND NOW WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT IT. THAT'S AWESOME. YEAH. I'VE SEEN THE EMAILS THAT HAVE GONE BACK AND FORTH TO EDEN, BUT I HAVEN'T SEEN I HAVE NOT RECEIVED A SINGLE EMAIL FROM A CONSTITUENT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE TALKING IN ORDER HERE, NOT TALKING OVER EACH OTHER. MR. DEGIULIO HAS THE FLOOR. ARE YOU DONE? YEAH. I'M DONE, I'M DONE. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT THEN, MISS MUELLER. SO I THINK MISS MICHELLE WAS NEXT. SORRY. GO AHEAD. OKAY. SO I THINK THAT THERE ARE TWO THINGS WITH SEVERAL OF US, I THINK, WHO HAVE STUDENTS THAT DO GO TO THE SCHOOLS. YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOTTEN THE THE EMAILS TO BE AND THE YEAH, THE WELL I MEAN WE'VE GOTTEN EMAILS FROM RESIDENTS AND THE CONFUSION FOR MANY OF THEM IS BECAUSE PEOPLE THINK THAT THEY ARE GOING TO GET A TICKET POTENTIALLY, IF THE LIGHTS ARE FLASHING, THEY'RE UNAWARE THAT THE CAMERAS ARE ENFORCED ALL DURING THE SCHOOL DAY WHILE IT'S IN SESSION. AND SO, YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN'T HAVE THE LIGHTS FLASH ALL DAY, WHICH I DON'T KNOW IS REALISTIC BECAUSE THEY'RE ON PROBABLY ON THEIR OWN SOLAR AND THEY WOULDN'T. SO THEY CAN'T DO THAT.
SO, YOU KNOW, THE OPTIONS ARE EITHER UPDATE THE SIGNAGE OR DISCONTINUE. SO I THINK WHAT YOU'RE AND I DON'T NEED COUNCIL DIRECTION TO GO AND DO NEW SIGNAGE. WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT. THE FUNDAMENTAL QUESTION IS DO YOU WANT TO CONTINUE THE PROGRAM OR NOT? YES. CORRECT, CORRECT. MR. QUESTION. YES, THAT'S THE QUESTION. WELL, I'VE ALSO GOTTEN A FEW EMAILS, BUT IT'S MOSTLY FROM PARENTS SAYING, PLEASE KEEP THEM GOING BECAUSE OUR KIDS ARE LIVES ARE AT STAKE.
SO, YOU KNOW, YOU GOT FOLKS ON BOTH SIDES OF THIS. AND AS I AS I'VE SAID BEFORE, WE SUSPEND IT.
I WANT TO HEAR FROM THE PARENTS OF, YOU KNOW, THEMSELVES BECAUSE IT'S THEIR KIDS LIVES AND SAFETY THAT THAT IS AT STAKE. I GET I GET THE I GET THE THE CONCERNS. I DRIVE BY RIVERWOOD HIGH SCHOOL PROBABLY 4 OR 5 TIMES A DAY DURING SCHOOL HOURS. AND I AM VERY COGNIZANT THAT I NEED TO SLOW DOWN WHEN I'M GOING THROUGH THERE. IT'S PART OF IT'S AN EDUCATION PROCESS. AND SO I'VE BEEN EDUCATED. THAT'S NOT TO SAY I WON'T MAKE A MISTAKE AT SOME POINT, YOU KNOW, KIND OF LOSE FOCUS OR WHATEVER. BUT BUT I DO KNOW THAT THERE AND I DO DRIVE MUCH SLOWER AS A RESULT OF THEM BEING THERE. SO BUT BEFORE WE BEFORE I'M FULLY SUPPORTIVE OF THE ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE LETTING PEOPLE KNOW THEY SHOULD BE WARNED. THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT. BEFORE WE SUSPEND IT, I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE PARENTS OF THE SCHOOLS, GIVE THEM SOME OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE SOME INPUT, RATHER THAN JUST RELYING ON OVER THE TRANSOM EMAILS TO KIND OF DICTATE WHERE WE GO. THIS SHOULD BE A BROADER COMMUNITY CONVERSATION. I KNOW AT RIVERWOOD, THEIR KIDS GOING ACROSS HEARDS FERRY, PARTICULARLY IN THE AFTERNOONS, AND I HAVE SEEN CARS RUN NOT JUST SPEEDING BUT RUN THE RED LIGHT. IT HURTS VERY. AND THE WRITER DRIVE. I'VE SEEN PEOPLE RUN THE STOP SIGN FULL SPEED AT THE THREE WAY STOP AT POWERS FERRY AND RADER DRIVE, SO THERE IS A LOT OF EXCESSIVE SPEED AND NOT JUST SIMPLY NOT PAYING ATTENTION TO THE TRAFFIC SIGNALS THAT ALREADY EXIST, THAT JUST MAINTAIN THE NORMAL FLOW OF TRAFFIC. SO AGAIN, I WANT I WANT TO HEAR FROM PARENTS ON THIS. CAN WE GO AHEAD, JODY? SURE. MISS. MISS ROCHELLE. SO MY QUESTION ON DALRYMPLE, YOU SAID IT'S WE ONLY GIVE TICKETS OR YOU SAID WE ONLY GIVE TICKETS DURING CERTAIN TIMES, RIGHT? AT ALL HOURS. THAT SCHOOL IS IN SESSION, BUT IT IS ENFORCED AT TWO DIFFERENT SPEED LIMITS. ONE IS THE HOUR BEFORE AND THE HOUR AFTER SCHOOL, AND THAT IS ENFORCED AT THE LOWER LIMIT. THAT'S POSTED AT 25. BUT YOU CAN ONLY ISSUE A TICKET IF THEY'RE GOING 35 OR HIGHER THE REMAINDER OF THE TIME THAT SCHOOL IS IN SESSION, MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY IT IS AT 35, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY ONLY ISSUING A TICKET IF THEY'RE GOING 45 OR HIGHER. AND WHAT'S THE DO WE KNOW WHAT THE SPEED LIMIT IS? 2535 ON DALRYMPLE. IT'S 25 DURING SCHOOL IN SESSION DURING THAT THAT SEGMENT DURING THE MORNING AND THE AFTERNOON. BUT WHEN THIS FLASHING LIGHT ISN'T ON IT'S 35. CORRECT. SO BUT WE'RE SAYING WE'RE GIVING SOMEONE A TICKET IF THEY'RE DOING 35. NO, 45 OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL,
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IF YOU ALL ARE AND I THINK THIS IS WHAT YOU WANT TO HEAR, WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND GET ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE DONE. BUT I'M GOING TO ASK CHIEF DISIMONE TO BRING LIEUTENANT SHEFFIELD TO OUR NEXT WORK SESSION TO GIVE AN UPDATE ON EXACTLY THE PRACTICAL APPLICATION OF WHAT IS HAPPENING, WHAT PD IS HEARING AND WHAT THE REALITY IS. IF THAT SUITS EVERYBODY, THAT'S GOOD. CAN WE PROVIDE ANY RELIEF ON THESE? BECAUSE WE DID A WARNING PERIOD. SO WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY TO DO THE WARNING. CAN WE GO BACK AND YOU KNOW, DOES EVERY CAN EVERYBODY GET A ONE TIME WARNING? I DON'T KNOW, I'M JUST THIS IS A CAN THE MAYOR SIGN A A PARDON. CAN HE DO A MASS PARDON AN AMNESTY, AN AMNESTY. THERE'S NO MECHANISM I DON'T THINK THAT'S IN THE CHARTER. THERE'S NO MECHANISM TO LEGISLATE A PARDON. IS THERE A WAY TO AGAIN COME BACK TO. YOU KNOW, I HAVE LESS SYMPATHY FOR SOMEBODY THAT'S FIRST OF ALL, ONCE THE SIGN IS APPROVED. I MEAN, I THINK WE'VE GOT WE ALL AGREE THAT A LOT OF THESE TICKETS, THE REPEAT OFFENDERS, YOU START LOSING SYMPATHY EVERY TIME THEY'VE GOTTEN A SECOND OR A THIRD OR A FOURTH. RIGHT? I MEAN, BUT THE BUT THE BUT THE FIRST TIME OFFENDERS UNDER A SYSTEM WHERE THE SIGNAGE JUST HASN'T BEEN GOOD, I, I JUST RUBS ME WRONG. RIGHT. I BECAUSE THEY'RE SPEEDING. WE KNOW EVERYBODY IS SPEEDING EVERYWHERE. WHAT DID YOU SAY DAN. THERE'S TWO KINDS OF SPEEDERS. THERE'S THE CAUGHT AND THE UNCAUGHT. I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU SAID. AND EARLIER, WHICH WAS PROBABLY PRETTY TRUE. IT APPLIES TO MOST OF US. IS THERE A WAY TO GO BACK AND DEAL WITH THESE FIRST TIME OFFENDERS AFTER THE FACT? YOU KNOW, I'M I HAVE LESS SYMPATHY FOR THE REPEAT OFFENDERS, AND I HAVE NO SYMPATHY FOR THE PERSON RUNNING RED LIGHTS SPEEDING AT LARGE. I MEAN, WE DO HAVE TO STOP. WE HAVE TO STOP IT EVERYWHERE, ESPECIALLY AROUND SCHOOL ZONES. SO THIS IS A FUNCTION OF DUE PROCESS. I THINK A LOT OF WHAT A LOT OF US PEOPLE ARE HEARING IS, LOOK, I DIDN'T KNOW. YES, EVERYBODY SPEEDS ANYWAY, BUT THAT THE DIFFERENCE HERE IS THERE'S A CAMERA. THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE. AND THEY'RE BEING CAUGHT WITH A CAMERA. AND ALSO THE QUESTION ABOUT CALIBRATION WHEN THEY COME BACK IN A FEW WEEKS, CAN YOU GIVE US THE PROCESS OF CALIBRATING JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THE THE DEVICES ARE WORKING PROPERLY. HOW ARE WE GOING TO OH, SORRY, HOW ARE WE GOING TO GET THE PARENTS TO TELL US, LIKE WHAT'S THE PROCESS? BECAUSE I'M READY TO GET RID OF THE PROGRAM. BUT IF YOU WANT TO WAIT AND SEE WHAT THE PARENTS SAY, IT BOTHERS ME BECAUSE DURING THE DAY WHEN THE FLASHING LIGHTS AREN'T ON, THAT REALLY BOTHERS ME THAT WE'RE GIVING PEOPLE TICKETS AND THEY'RE THERE'S NO WARNING. BUT WHAT'S WHAT'S THE PROCESS? WE WOULD SEND A LETTER TO THE PARENT TEACHER STUDENT ORGANIZATIONS AND TELL THEM THAT THIS IS THE SITUATION, AND THAT WE WANTED TO GET SOME FEEDBACK. THAT'S THE OFFICIAL PARENT ORGANIZATION WITHIN EACH SCHOOL. AND THEN YOU ALSO HAVE THE GOVERNANCE COUNCIL THAT YOU COULD HAVE SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH MAYOR PAUL. MR. PAULSON, IF YOU'RE FINISHED. SO I LEARNED SOMETHING TONIGHT. I WASN'T AWARE OF IT SOUNDED, AND WE WERE GOING BACK WITH THESE EMAILS THAT THE SPEED LIMIT, WHEN THE LIGHTS WEREN'T FLASHING WAS STAYING AT 25. WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME IS THAT'S NOT TRUE. NO, IT'S SPEED LIMIT ON THAT STREET NORMALLY IS 35. CORRECT. AND SO IF THE SPEED LIMIT IS NORMALLY 35, WHEN THE LIGHTS ARE FLASHING, IT DROPS TO 25. AND IT'S PRETTY OBVIOUS WHEN THE LIGHTS ARE FLASHING. I MEAN, SORRY, YOU CAN'T YOU CAN'T NOT MISS THEM.AND ALSO THINK ABOUT THIS. IF DURING REGULAR SCHOOL HOURS IT'S AT 35, BUT WE'RE ONLY ISSUING A TICKET, IF THEY'RE GOING 45 OR OVER. I GET IT. DALRYMPLE IS PRETTY CHALLENGING TO GET UP TO 45 IN THAT SEGMENT. WELL, YOU CAN DO IT, I'VE HEARD, BUT LET'S NOT TALK ABOUT THAT PART. THAT'S NOT FROM PERSONAL. YOU KNOW, I HEARD THEY'RE INDEPENDENT. SO ANYWAY, SO I GUESS I'VE GOT A LITTLE BIT LESS SYMPATHY FOR ALL THIS BECAUSE I MISUNDERSTOOD THIS. I THOUGHT WE WERE HOLDING THE 25 SPEED LIMIT EVEN WHEN THE LIGHTS WEREN'T FLASHING, AND THAT DIDN'T SEEM FAIR TO ME. WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME IS WHEN THE LIGHTS ARE FLASHING, THE STANDARD SPEED LIMIT APPLIES. CORRECT? THAT'S TRUE ANYWAY. YES, PLUS TEN PLUS TEN. SO IN TRUTH, THIS IS NOT AN UNDUE HARDSHIP TO A REGULAR DRIVER. HE SEES IT'S 35 MILES AN HOUR.
HE SHOULDN'T BE SPEEDING OKAY. THIS GOES THROUGH EVERY STREET AND IT'S JUST WHEN THE LIGHTS ARE FLASHING. WE'VE GOT THIS ADDITIONAL TEN MILES AN HOUR. SO I'M IN FAVOR OF THE SIGNAGE.
THAT'S FINE, BUT I'M NOT. I HAVE LESS AND LESS SYMPATHY. THE MORE I HEAR ABOUT HOW THIS IS GOING ON TODAY. MAYOR, IF I COULD. MR. LEE, WE NEED TO GET MOVING ON. WE GOT ANOTHER WHOLE AGENDA HERE TO GO. I FEEL THE NEED TO POINT OUT HISTORICALLY, THE THE LAWS AROUND THE STATE, THE STATE LAW AND CITY ORDINANCES HAVE ALWAYS TREATED SCHOOL ZONES DIFFERENTLY.
THERE'S A LOWER SPEED LIMIT THAT THAT IS HISTORIC. THAT DID NOT CHANGE WITH THIS, THIS MOU
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THAT YOU HAVE WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD. THE SPEED LIMIT HAS NOT CHANGED. AND THAT'S HISTORIC IN GEORGIA. THAT 25 MILES AN HOUR THE WAY THAT YOU THAT THE THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT POLICES SCHOOL ZONES HAS REALLY NOT CHANGED. THE THE POLICE HAVE RULES. THEY HAVE TO GO BY WHEN THEY USE RADAR, THEY GET A LICENSE FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC, STATE, DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY.THAT GIVES THEM A LIST OF RULES. AND ONE OF THEM IS THAT YOU CAN'T WRITE A TICKET USING A RADAR UNLESS IT'S TEN MILES AN HOUR OVER THE SPEED LIMIT, UNLESS YOU'RE IN A SCHOOL ZONE, IT'S RELAXED BECAUSE IT'S MORE IMPORTANT HISTORICALLY IN GEORGIA, IN A SCHOOL ZONE. THE DIFFERENCE HERE IS THAT THIS MECHANISM OF USING A CAMERA WHERE AND IT PROVES A POINT, I THINK THAT A POLICE CAR IS A DETERRENT. PEOPLE DON'T SEE POLICE CAR, SO THEY THEY GO A LITTLE FASTER THAN THEY ORDINARILY WOULD. EVEN THOUGH THE SPEED LIMIT HAS NOT CHANGED, JUST THE MECHANISM FOR CATCHING SOMEBODY WHO IS NOT GOING THE SPEED LIMIT, THAT THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE. DO YOU KNOW WHY THE LEGISLATURE IS TRYING TO IS THINKING ABOUT GETTING RID OF THIS? I SUSPECT THERE ARE 56 STATE SENATORS AND 180 HOUSE MEMBERS WHO'VE BEEN HEARING THE SAME COMPLAINTS THAT YOU ALL HAVE BEEN. WELL, WHAT YOU'VE GOT, YOU GOT YOU'VE GOT TWO DIFFERENT BILLS THAT WERE THAT ARE STILL HANGING OUT THERE. ONE DID AWAY WITH IT, THE OTHER ONE MODIFIES IT. THEY BOTH PASSED THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES. THEY BOTH PASSED THE SENATE. I'M NOT SURE IF WE'LL GET MUCH MORE CLARITY OUT OF THE LEGISLATURE IN JANUARY OR NOT, BUT I THINK THAT WE CAN. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT CLEARLY COUNCIL HAS SOME CONCERNS ABOUT, AND WE SHOULD TAKE A STRONGER LOOK AT IT IN AN UPCOMING
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.