Aug 19, 2025 City Council

MANAGER TO ARRANGE THAT. NOT A PROBLEM. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THAT ENDS THE WORK

[I. Call to Order]

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[IV. Public Comment]

THANK YOU, MR. GRIFFITH, MISS CUSACK. FOLLOWED BY WHOM? DANA GRANTHAM. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS SUSAN CUSACK. I LIVE AT 6497 CHERRY TREE LANE. I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT SOCIAL MEDIA USE AND THE FREE SPEECH PRINCIPLES THAT ARE PROTECTED BY THE FIRST AMENDMENT. I'M VERY PASSIONATE

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IT CAME AFTER A RESPECTFULLY DISPUTED ONE OF HER PUBLIC STATEMENTS WITH FACTS. LAST MONTH, SHE POSTED A PICTURE OF HER WITH BRAVES PITCHER CHRIS SALE. THE CAPTION READ CHRIS SALE THROWS STRIKES, I DELIVER RESULTS. I COMMENTED WITH AN HONEST QUESTION WHAT HAVE YOU DONE IN YOUR EIGHT YEARS ON CITY COUNCIL? COUNCIL MEMBER ROCHELLE POSTED A LIST OF SIX ALLEGED ACCOMPLISHMENTS. I RESPONDED WITH A FACT CHECK ON THREE OF THOSE SIX, INCLUDING THIS ONE.

QUOTE VISION FOR THE FUTURE. I CREATED THE IDEA OF A CITY CENTER MASTER PLAN. END QUOTE I PROVIDED INFORMATION FROM THE CITY SPRINGS WEBSITE SHOWING THAT THE CITY CENTER MASTER PLAN WAS ADOPTED IN 2012, FIVE YEARS BEFORE SHE WAS ELECTED. RATHER THAN RESPOND OR CLARIFY, THE COUNCIL MEMBER DELETED BOTH HER ORIGINAL ACCOMPLISHMENTS POST AND MY FACT CHECKING. THEN SHE BLOCKED ME FROM VIEWING OR COMMENTING ON HER PAGE ALTOGETHER. AT LEAST TWO OF MY NEIGHBORS WHO WERE ALSO BLOCKED WERE ALSO BLOCKED FROM MAKING SIMILAR COMMENTS. AT LEAST ONE OTHER NEIGHBOR HAD HER COMMENT DELETED BUT WAS NOT BLOCKED. COUNCIL MEMBER ROCHELLE'S FACEBOOK PAGE IS USED TO SHARE SUCH THINGS AS CITY GOVERNMENT NEWS, LINKS TO HER CONSTITUENT NEWSLETTERS AND INFORMATION ABOUT GOVERNMENT SERVICES AND CITY EVENTS. THAT MAKES IT A PUBLIC FORUM. JUST LAST YEAR, THE U.S. SUPREME COURT RULED UNANIMOUSLY THAT WHEN PUBLIC OFFICIALS USED SOCIAL MEDIA FOR GOVERNMENT BUSINESS, THOSE PAGES ARE PUBLIC FORUMS. UNDER THE FIRST AMENDMENT. THE RULING ALSO SAID BLOCKING DISSENTING VIEWPOINTS FROM SUCH A PAGE IS UNLAWFUL AND UNDERMINES FREE SPEECH AND GOVERNMENT TRANSPARENCY. THIS IS NOT A MATTER THAT TAXPAYERS SHOULD HAVE TO PAY FOR TO LITIGATE. I HAVE SPOKEN WITH A FIRST AMENDMENT ATTORNEY ABOUT PURSUING THAT OPTION. HOWEVER, IT'S NOT THE ROAD I WANT TO TAKE. INSTEAD, MY ASK TO YOU COUNCIL MEMBER ROCHELLE IS SIMPLE UNBLOCK THOSE YOU HAVE BLOCKED. AS OUR CITY COUNCIL REPRESENTATIVE, YOU SHOULD HEAR FROM THOSE WHO SUPPORT YOUR VIEWS AS WELL AS THOSE HEAR FROM THOSE WHO DO NOT. WHEN AN ELECTED OFFICIAL BLOCKS CONSTITUENTS FOR SPEAKING THE TRUTH, IT'S NOT LEADERSHIP, IT'S CENSORSHIP AND HAS NO PLACE IN THE SANDY SPRINGS GOVERNMENT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. GRANTHAM. MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL. I'M DANA GRANTHAM, I'M A LAWYER. I'VE LIVED IN MOUNT VERNON WOODS IN SANDY SPRINGS FOR 43 YEARS. I'M A PAST PRESIDENT OF THE MOUNT VERNON WOODS HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION, AND I WAS ON THE NEXT TEN COMMITTEE. I'M HERE MOSTLY IN A MEETING CAPACITY. I AM ONE OF THE VOICES THAT WAS BLOCKED BY OUR COUNCIL PERSON, JODY. AND I BELIEVE UNDER THE RECENT SUPREME COURT CASE LINK VERSUS FREED, THAT THAT IS A VIOLATION OF SECTION 1983, AS WELL AS MY FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS TO SPEAK TRUTH TO GOVERNMENT. I WOULD ASK THAT THOSE OF US WHO HAVE BEEN BLOCKED HAVE RENEWED ACCESS, AND I WOULD ASK DAN LEE TO PROVIDE SOME GUIDANCE TO THE COUNCIL AS WELL AS THE CANDIDATES ON THIS TOPIC OF GREAT CONCERN. THANK YOU. THANKS. MISS GRANTHAM, IS THERE ANY FURTHER? ALL RIGHT. WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. IS THERE A MOTION TO

[V. Approval of Meeting Agenda]

[VI. Consent Agenda]

ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING? NONE. WE'LL CALL THE QUESTION THE QUESTIONS ON THE APPROVAL OF THE CONSENT AGENDA. ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION? SAY AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? NO. THE CONSENT AGENDA.

[VIII. Public Hearing]

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THANK YOU. IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT CARDS? ALL RIGHT, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT.

PERIOD. WHAT'S THE DESIRE OF COUNCIL MAYOR PAUL? MR. PAULSON, MOVE APPROVAL OF AGENDA ITEM 2025 181 APPROVAL. METROPOLITAN RIVER PROTECTION ACT CERTIFICATE FOR RIVER CORRIDOR REVIEW RC 20 503 SS FOR 715. BITTERSWEET TRAIL MOTION BY MR. PAULSON. IS THERE A SECOND SECOND MOTION BY MR. PAULSON, SECONDED BY DOCTOR KELLY, THAT WE APPROVE? AGENDA ITEM 2025 181 A METROPOLITAN RIVER PROTECTION ACT CERTIFICATE FOR RIVER CORRIDOR REVIEW AT 715. BITTERSWEET TRAIL. ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. WE'LL CALL THE QUESTION. THE QUESTION IS ON AGENDA ITEM 2025 181.

APPROVING A METROPOLITAN RIVER PROTECTION ACT CERTIFICATE FOR 715 BITTERSWEET TRAIL. ALL IN FAVOR? THE MOTION SAY AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? NO. THE ITEM IS APPROVED. THE CLERK WILL PLEASE READ THE NEXT ITEM. THIS IS AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 2025 ONE 8182. THAT'S YOU 25 ONE AT 8721 ROSWELL ROAD. CONSIDERATION OF AN ORDINANCE TO ALLOW FOR CONDITIONAL USE. PERMIT TO ALLOW FOR A DRIVE THROUGH FACILITY IN THE THREE ZONING DISTRICT. THIS IS PRESENTED BY PLANNING PRESENTED BY PLANNING AND ZONING MANAGER MICHELLE MCINTOSH. MCINTOSH. ROSS. YES. GREETINGS AGAIN. WE'RE HERE FOR YOU. 20 5-1 AT 8721 ROSWELL ROAD. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS AND PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO ALLOW A DRIVE THROUGH FACILITY FOR A FAST FOOD RESTAURANT, WHATABURGER, IN THE THREE ZONING DISTRICT AT AN EXISTING VACANT BANK BUILDING WITH A DRIVE THROUGH. THE CHARACTER AREA, WHICH IS ON THE LEFT, IS COMMERCIAL MIXED USE AND THE MIDDLE IS THE ZONING MAP. IT'S KXE3. WE MENTIONED COMMERCIAL MIXED USE UP TO THREE STORIES, AND THE SURROUNDING ZONING DISTRICTS ARE THREE TO THE NORTH, EAST AND WEST ACROSS ROSWELL ROAD AND TO THE SOUTH IS URBAN NEIGHBORHOOD. IT'S THE RESIDENTIAL TOWNHOME RT. JUST SOUTH OF THE PARCEL. THE FAR RIGHT IS THE AERIAL IMAGE WITH THE SUBJECT SITE OUTLINED IN TEAL, BLUE AND. AND THEN YOU'LL SEE THOSE THE ROW OF TOWNHOMES TO THE TO THE SOUTH. THE 1.36 ACRE SITE IS AN OUT PARCEL WITHIN THE DUNWOODY PLACE SHOPPING CENTER, WHERE PUBLIX

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WE'VE RECEIVED TWO IN SUPPORT AND TWO IN OPPOSITION. ALL RIGHT. THE I GUESS THE PROPONENTS GO FIRST AND THE OPPONENTS GO NEXT. OKAY. FIRST WE HAVE DALE FRIDLEY WHO WILL BE FOLLOWED BY HARRISON PARKER. OKAY. GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU ALL FOR HEARING OUR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT CASE. I'M DALE FRIDLEY. I'M AN ARCHITECT WITH WARNER SUMMERS. I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF MADE TO ORDER HOLDINGS, THE LOCAL WHATABURGER FRANCHISEE FOR THIS AREA.

HARRISON PARKER. THANK YOU. IS THE LOCAL REPRESENTATIVE FOR. I NEED TO GET YOUR. PLEASE STATE

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I AM HERE SOLELY AS A RESIDENT AND A NEIGHBOR AND NOT AS A JOURNALIST. I AM VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE PROPOSED WHATABURGER RESTAURANT AT 8721 ROSWELL ROAD, AND I WANT TO THANK MISS RHONDA SMITH FOR HER COMMENTS JUST NOW. THE GREATEST ISSUE IS THE 24 HOUR DRIVE THRU AND MOVING THE DRIVE THRU TO THE BACK OF THE BUILDING DOES NOT MAKE A DIFFERENCE, ESPECIALLY MOVING THE BUILDING CLOSER TO ROSWELL ROAD. OUR TOWN. THE BACK OF OUR TOWNHOMES WHERE THE BEDROOMS ARE LOCATED AND THE BALCONIES DIRECTLY FACE THAT SITE. THAT LEAVES RESIDENTS EXPOSED TO THE SPEAKER SYSTEM. CUSTOMER VOICES, CARS IDLING, HEADLIGHTS SHINING TOWARDS OUR WINDOWS WHILE TREES OFFER SOME BUFFER IN THE SUMMER, THEY THIN CONSIDERABLY IN WINTER AND FALL, MEANING BOTH SOUND AND LIGHTS FROM WHATABURGER WOULD BE INTRUSIVE. IT'S A VERY QUIET AREA, REPRESENTATIVES HAVE SAID THAT A MINIMUM NUMBER OF TREES WOULD BE REMOVED. THIS IS UNFORTUNATE IN ANY CASE, BUT WHAT REMAINS UNCLEAR IS WHETHER IT'S THE TREES IN THE WOODED AREA OR THE SEVEN TREES THAT FACE ROSWELL ROAD FOR BEAUTIFICATION PURPOSES. THOSE TREES ARE SOMETHING THAT PASSERSBY ENJOY AND AS I SAY, TREE REMOVAL, IN ANY CASE, WOULD BE UNFORTUNATE. IN JUNE, A LETTER FROM HUNTINGTON PLACE HOA WAS SENT TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING DEPARTMENT. BUT LAST MONTH, WHEN THE PLANNING COMMISSION ASKED IF THERE WAS OPPOSITION TO THE PROPOSED CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR THE RESTAURANT, THE IMPRESSION WAS GIVEN THAT THERE WAS NO SIGNIFICANT OPPOSITION. MY NEIGHBORS HAVE HAD SERIOUS CONCERNS, BUT NONE ATTENDED THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING IN JULY. FROM WHAT I'VE GATHERED, MANY RESIDENTS FELT THE COUNCIL HAD ALREADY DECIDED TO APPROVE THIS MEASURE AND THAT THE VOTE WAS A FORMALITY. I WAS TOLD THAT DIRECTLY, MORE THAN ONCE, THAT THAT WAS THEIR THAT WAS THEIR BELIEF. THIS SUGGESTS TO ME THAT NEIGHBORS DO NOT UNDERSTAND THAT THEY HAVE A VOICE IN THIS PROCESS, AND THAT THEIR VOICE MATTERS. I HAVE LIVED ON HUNTINGTON PLACE DRIVE FOR TEN YEARS. MY NEIGHBOR HAS LIVED THERE LONGER THAN ME, AS MANY OF THE OTHER NEIGHBORS HAVE, AND MY NEIGHBOR HAS TOLD ME THAT SHE MAY NEED TO SELL HER HOME IF THE RESTAURANT IS APPROVED. IF THIS MEASURE IS IMPROVED BECAUSE THE DISTURBANCE WILL MAKE HER RESTFUL SLEEP IMPOSSIBLE, THIS PART OF THE COMMUNITY HAS BEEN PEACEFUL. AS I SAY, WHEN THE BANK WAS OPERATING ON OCCASION, NOISE OR MUSIC COULD BE HEARD FROM THE DRIVE THROUGH AND ALL NIGHT DRIVE THRU RESTAURANT WOULD BRING A CONSTANT DISRUPTION AND A FAR GREATER, GREATER LEVEL OF DISRUPTION. THE SMOOTHIE KING IS NOT FAR FROM WHERE THE FORMER WELLS FARGO BANK IS LOCATED, BUT IT IS A BIG DIFFERENCE FROM WHERE THE WELLS FARGO BANK IS LOCATED. WE DON'T HEAR ANY NOISE FROM THE SMOOTHIE KING AND THE MCDONALD'S AND THE STARBUCKS ARE ACROSS THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PARKING LOT, SO THIS DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE. EVEN THOUGH THERE ARE OTHER FAST FOOD RESTAURANTS THERE WITH DRIVE THRUS. ALSO, I WANT TO MENTION THERE WAS A BIG BOX TRUCK THAT WAS IN THAT PARKING LOT OF THE FORMER WELLS FARGO BANK FOR A

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AND IN FACT, 99% OF THEM WILL REMAIN. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAS BEEN SUGGESTED IS TO PUT UP A EIGHT FOOT HIGH, OPAQUE WALL TO HELP WITH THE SOUND BUFFERING AS WELL AS VISUAL, AND SO WE'RE HAPPY TO DO THAT. THAT INCLUDES SOME LANDSCAPING AND SOME THINGS LIKE THAT. THAT WOULD BE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THAT TREED AREA. SO AS FAR AS ALLEVIATING SOME OF THE SOUND CONCERNS AND ANY LIGHT CONCERNS FROM VEHICLES, WE'RE ALREADY KIND OF PLANNING TO MITIGATE THAT. BUT OTHER THAN THAT, WE FEEL LIKE WE'VE FOLLOWED EVERYTHING THAT WE POSSIBLY CAN TO THIS POINT.

OKAY. THANK YOU. WITH THAT, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION. YOU'VE HEARD THE COMMENTS. WHAT'S THE DESIRE OF COUNCIL MAYOR PAUL? MR. PAULSON, I HAVE A I GUESS, A POINT OF ORDER HERE. I WAS HOPING TO ASK THE APPLICANT A QUESTION. DO YOU WANT ME TO MAKE A MOTION AND THEN ASK A QUESTION? NO, WE'LL WE'LL ALLOW INQUIRIES. IF IT'S A IT'S AN INQUIRY, WE'LL WE'LL ALLOW THAT BEFORE THE MOTION. COME ON BACK UP HERE FELLAS. SO A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT ARE ON EVERYBODY'S MIND AND INCLUDING MINE. THIS IS A NEIGHBORHOOD RIGHT BEHIND, BEHIND YOUR PROPERTY. YOU'VE HEARD MISS MERCHANT TALK ABOUT IT. THE NEED OF HAVING A LIGHT BARRIER IS IMPORTANT. AND I'M, I'M HOPING AN EIGHT FOOT HIGH ONE WORKS. IT NEEDS TO BE THE BARRIER NEEDS TO BE BIG ENOUGH THAT THE HEADLIGHTS DON'T SHINE INTO THESE GUYS HOMES. OKAY? WHEN DARK COMES. TELL ME HOW YOU MITIGATE SOUND AT NIGHT FROM THE SPEAKERS AND THE PEOPLE ORDERING FOOD AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. OBVIOUSLY, EVERYBODY'S NIGHTMARE IS TWO IN THE MORNING, SOME GUY PULLS UP DRUNK YELLING, I WANT FRIES WITH THAT BURGER. I MEAN, HOW DO WE HOW DO YOU MITIGATE THAT? AND WHAT CAN YOU DO TO MITIGATE THAT, THAT NOISE LEVEL THAT COMES NOT THE GUY YELLING, YOU CAN'T REALLY KEEP THAT FROM HAPPENING. BUT WHAT CAN YOU DO TO MITIGATE THE NOISE FROM THE SPEAKER THAT'S TAKING THESE ORDERS? YES, SIR. ABSOLUTELY. SO FIRST OF ALL, AGAIN, WE WILL DO ANYTHING WE CAN TO HELP. WE WANT TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR. WE GET INVOLVED IN THESE COMMUNITIES.

WE HAVE CURRENTLY HAVE THREE OF OUR STORES THAT ARE NEXT TO NEIGHBORHOODS, AND WE HAVE NOT HAD ANY PROBLEMS WITH THAT. WE DO A PHOTOMETRIC STUDY WHEN WE DO THESE PLANS, AND A LOT OF CITIES WILL REQUIRE THAT. I'M NOT SURE IF WE'VE ACTUALLY HAVE WE DONE THAT ALREADY? OKAY. SO WE'LL DO A PHOTOMETRIC STUDY TO MAKE SURE THERE'S NO LIGHT POLLUTION. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE DONE MULTIPLE TIMES. IT'S NOT AN ISSUE. AND IT KEEPS ALL THE LIGHT ON OUR PROPERTY. SO I DON'T SEE THE LIGHT BEING AN ISSUE. WE HAVE TURNED THE DRIVE THROUGH. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE PLANS, THE DRIVE THROUGH WHERE YOU COME IN, YOU'RE FACING ROSWELL ROAD AND THEN YOU TURN FACING AWAY FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO YOU WON'T EVER HAVE THEIR LIGHTS IN PEOPLE'S IN PEOPLE'S ROOMS. SO WE HAVE DONE THAT. AND THEN AS FAR AS THE SPEAKER SOUND, WE HAVE A STUDY WE CAN DO WITH THAT AS WELL. BUT WE TURN THE SPEAKERS DOWN. WE HAVE WE HAVE WE HAVE CONTROL OVER THAT. SO IF THE SPEAKERS ARE LOUD AND THERE'S AN ISSUE WITH ANY NEIGHBOR, THEY CAN COME SPEAK TO US AGAIN. I'M HERE. I'M IN ATLANTA ALL THE TIME. ARE YOU GOING TO BE OPERATING THIS FACILITY ONCE IT'S OPEN? NO, SIR. I'M THE REAL ESTATE AND DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR. OKAY, BUT

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YES, SIR. WHICH IS GOING TO FINISH UP IN THE SPRING. THIS COMING SPRING. SURE. I UNDERSTAND STAFF HAS MET WITH YOU FOLKS TALKING ABOUT THE DESIGN GUIDELINES THAT APPEAR TO BE COMING TOGETHER AND ASKING ABOUT WHETHER YOU'RE COULD YOU COMPLY WITH SOME OF THESE GUIDELINES. AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS AND I SAW AN EMAIL FROM I GUESS IT WAS GINGER, YOU'RE THE ONE WHO SENT THE EMAIL TALKING ABOUT YOU GUYS HAVE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH SOME OF THE DESIGN GUIDELINES THAT ARE PROPOSED. AND THEY'RE NOT THEY'RE NOT WRITTEN IN STONE YET. SO THERE'S SOME FLEXIBILITY. THE QUESTION I'VE GOT FOR YOU IS OF THE GUIDELINES THAT WERE PRESENTED TO YOU, ARE THERE MODIFICATIONS YOU CAN MAKE TO YOUR YOUR BUILDINGS DESIGN SO THAT YOU'RE IN MORE IN COMPLIANCE WITH SOME OF THESE DESIGN GUIDE RECOMMENDATIONS? AND I CAN READ THEM TO YOU. THESE ARE THE ONES I GOT. MR. PAULSON, IF YOU WANT TO GET INTO THAT. WELL, THAT THAT GOES BEYOND THE LEVEL OF INQUIRY THAT WE CAN ALLOW AT THIS POINT.

YOU'LL HAVE TO WAIT TILL AFTER A MOTION TO GET INTO THE DETAILS OF THAT. THESE ARE JUST INQUIRIES. IF WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE PROPOSALS THEMSELVES, WE'LL HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL WE HAVE A MOTION TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. ALL RIGHT. WELL, MY POINT WAS, HAD THEY AGREED TO THE DESIGN GUIDELINES THAT HAVE BEEN PRESENTED TO THEM BY STAFF, CAN I BRIEFLY ANSWER? OKAY. SO YES, SIR, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, WE'VE MET WITH THEM. I KNOW DALE HAS A BUNCH ABOUT THE LANDSCAPING AND HARDSCAPES, AND I THINK THE TREES THAT SHE WAS SPEAKING OF THAT WE MIGHT BE TAKING DOWN ARE THE ONES ALONG THE ROAD. THOSE HAVE TO BE TAKEN DOWN TO ACCOMMODATE SOME OF THOSE GUIDELINES TO MAKE THAT BIGGER SIDEWALK AND MOVE THE MOVE EVERYTHING BACK. SO THAT'S THAT IS PART OF THAT. THOSE TREES WILL HAVE TO COME DOWN. WE WILL REPLACE THOSE TREES, OF COURSE. HOW ABOUT THE ARTICULATING BUILDING. SO THAT KIND OF DESIGN. YEAH. SO WE HAVE MADE MODIFICATIONS TO OUR DESIGN IN MULTIPLE DIFFERENT PLACES. WE OUR TYPICAL DESIGN IS BRICK WITH ARCHITECTURAL METAL PANELS. WE'VE GOT SOME BUILDINGS WHERE WE'VE MADE WE'VE MADE ACCOMMODATIONS TO FIT WITHIN CITY GUIDELINES. NOT OPPOSED TO DOING THAT HERE. UNFORTUNATELY. THAT'S GOING TO COST ME BECAUSE DALE IS ALMOST DONE WITH THE DESIGN, SO MIGHT HAVE TO BE STARTING OVER, BUT WELL, I HEARD THE WORD ALMOST, SO THAT'S GOOD.

WELL, HE'S READY TO SUBMIT TOMORROW. HE SAID WE NEED WE NEED TO KEEP THE IF WE'RE DEALING WITH THE ISSUES OF THE PROPOSAL ITSELF, WE NEED TO DO THAT AFTER WE HAVE A MOTION.

SURE. MISS ROCHELLE, DO YOU HAVE A LIKE A PARLIAMENTARY INQUIRY OF SOME SORT THAT YOU WANT.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL WE'LL I'VE LET US WANDER A LITTLE FAR AFIELD. IS THERE A IS THERE A MOTION. YOU GOT A MOTION, MR. PAULSON? I DO, AND IS THERE A SECOND. LET ME MAKE MY MOTION FIRST. OH, OKAY. I WROTE YOUR NAME DOWN, SO I'M SORRY. WELL, I'M GOING TO BE THE ONE THAT DOES IT. DON'T WORRY, OKAY, I APOLOGIZE, I THOUGHT YOU WERE GETTING READY TO MAKE A MOTION, SO I WROTE IT DOWN. I AM, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ITEM. HANG ON A SECOND. ITEM 2025 182 8721 ROSWELL ROAD. AN ORDINANCE TO ALLOW FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO ALLOW FOR A DRIVE THROUGH FACILITY AT THE THREE ZONING DISTRICT, WITH A COUPLE OF ADDITIONS. AND THOSE ARE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE FENCING, SCREENING AND PLANNING REQUIREMENTS THAT INCLUDE, AT MINIMUM, AN EIGHT FOOT OPAQUE FENCE, DECORATIVE PLANTINGS, AND OBVIOUSLY REMOVED DEBRIS. AND THEN THE SECOND ONE IS THE THAT THE THIS BUILDING ARTICULATION DESIGN AND COLORS BE MODIFIED SUCH THAT 15% OF THE STREET FACING. NOPE, THAT'S NOT IT. A MINIMUM OF TWO PORTIONS OF THE STREET FACING BUILDING FACADE MUST HAVE A VARIATION IN SETBACK OF AT LEAST TWO FEET.

CONTRASTING COLORS WITHIN THE EARTH TONE COLOR. I'LL LEAVE THE COLOR ONE ALONE SO THAT THE MOTION WITH THE INCLUSION OF THESE FENCING, SCREENING AND PLANTING REQUIREMENTS, AND THIS ARTICULATING VARIATION OF TWO FEET BE APPLIED TO THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING. THAT'S THE MOTION I'M MAKING. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. ALL RIGHT. HAVE A MOTION BY MR. PAULSON, SECONDED BY DOCTOR KELLY. ANY DISCUSSION. SO IF MOTION. SO A COUPLE OF THINGS I DECIDED THE OTHER DAY I WAS GOING TO GO TO A WHATABURGER. SO I WENT UP TO THE ONE IN ALPHARETTA AND HAMBURGER WAS GOOD. IT'S NOT OURS, BY THE WAY. WELL, IT'S STILL GOOD LOOKING, OKAY. AND THE FOOD WAS GOOD. I ALSO WENT THERE 2:00 THIS MORNING JUST TO SEE THE HOTBED

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BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S THAT'S MY MOTION. OKAY. WITH THIS, WITH THOSE CONDITIONS. ALL RIGHT.

WE'VE GOT A SECOND BY DOCTOR KELLY. WITH THE CONDITIONS. YOU'RE ALL RIGHT WITH THE CONDITIONS. WELL, OKAY, I YOU EITHER GOT TO BE OR NOT OR. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION, MISS ROCHELLE? AND THEN DOCTOR KELLY. SO I WANT TO GO BACK TO THE SLIDE THAT HAS THE PICTURE OF THE WHAT THE PUBLIX AND ALL THAT. KEEP GOING. YEAH. RIGHT HERE. SO WHAT WORRIES ME IS THE BLUE LINE OR PURPLE LINE IN FRONT OF THE PUBLIX, BECAUSE THAT IS A VERY BUSY PART OF THE SHOPPING CENTER WHERE PEOPLE ARE GOING BACK AND FORTH TO GET GROCERIES AND TAKING THEM TO THEIR CAR AND KIDS AND CARTS AND ALL THAT STUFF, AND THAT. IS THERE ANY WAY TO MAKE IT SO THAT YOU CAN ONLY GO ON THE GREEN LINE AND NOT, I MEAN, COME IN ON THE PURPLE LINE AND THEN HAVE TO TURN ON THE GREEN LINE TO COME IN, BECAUSE THAT JUST REALLY I MAKES ME NERVOUS ABOUT HAVING ALL THOSE CARS COME IN IN FRONT OF PUBLIX. I DON'T KNOW WHO I'M ASKING. THAT'S THAT'S PRIVATE PROPERTY. SO WE DON'T HAVE A LOT. SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONTROL OVER IT? NO, WE DO NOT. OKAY. DOCTOR KELLY. WHAT? DAN WANTS TO SAY SOMETHING. I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD. I BELIEVE THE COMMENT MADE EARLIER WAS THAT THIS PROPERTY HAS AN EASEMENT FOR INGRESS AND EGRESS OFF OF THE PUBLIX PROPERTY. SO THE RIGHT TO USE THAT PARKING LOT IS BETWEEN THE PROPERTY OWNER, WHOEVER IT IS, AND PUBLIX. SO THEY HAVE CONTROL OVER THE USE OF THE PARKING LOT. OKAY. DOCTOR KELLY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. I HAVE I WANT TO START WITH A FEW QUESTIONS. I THINK THEY ARE BETTER SUITED FOR STAFF. SO I WANT TO ASK ABOUT THE BUILDING THAT CURRENTLY SITS THERE. WELL, FIRST OF ALL, LET ME THANK STAFF TOO FOR GETTING SOME OF THIS LANGUAGE TOGETHER. ADDRESSING. SOME OF THE DESIGN CONCERNS THAT WE HAD IN THE SCREENING. AND EVEN THIS GRAPHIC HERE WITH THE SHOWS, THE PARKING LOT. I KNOW I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THAT, AND I HAD CONSTITUENTS CONCERNED ABOUT HOW TO GET AROUND THAT, THAT PARKING LOT. AND COUNCILWOMAN ROCHELLE, YOU ARE CORRECT. IT'S A MESS. BUT MY QUESTION TO YOU IS IN TERMS OF ARTICULATION, THE BUILDING THAT SITS THERE NOW, IS THERE ANY ARTICULATION. IS THAT BUILDING THE BANK? YES. IT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT TYPE OF DESIGN. I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE A PICTURE WE COULD SHOW, BUT THE WHATABURGER DESIGN, OKAY, THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING WITH IS WHAT OUR CODE MANDATES FOR A BUILDING THAT'S LESS THAN 100FT LONG. YEAH. AND THERE ARE SOME ADDITIONAL ARTICULATION FOR BUILDINGS AT AND WITH THE ARTICULATION AMENDMENT THAT WELL, THE ADDITION THAT THAT CONDITION THAT COUNCILMAN PAULSON MADE, WHAT SIZE OF THE BUILDING WOULD THAT IMPACT? I THINK HE MADE THE ONE SIDE. DO YOU MEAN WHICH SIDES OF THE BUILDING? YEAH. WELL, WE WOULD

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YEAH YEAH. SO I HAVE A FEW I JUST I DO HAVE SOME CONCERNS. I THINK WE'VE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT THE DESIGN PIECE. I'D ACTUALLY LIKE TO SEE A BUILDING HEIGHT ARTICULATION IN ADDITION TO THE, THE BUILDING, BUT. OKAY, I'LL, I'LL STOP THERE. I DO TAKE ISSUE WITH OUR INTERPRETATION OF THE I GUESS YOU SAID NORTH END REDEVELOPMENT PLAN AND THE MIX OF RETAIL MEETING A VARIETY OF NEEDS AND INCOME LEVELS. I WOULD MY ARGUMENT WOULD BE THAT OUR CHALLENGE IS THAT THE NEEDS THAT THIS PARTICULAR ESTABLISHMENT WILL MEET ARE, ARE BEING MET PRETTY NICELY IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA. AND SO IT'S, IT'S OTHER ASPECTS OF, OF INCOME AND INCOME LEVELS. SO I JUST I TAKE ISSUE WITH THAT PARTICULAR INTERPRETATION. BUT THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. I, I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT YEAH. SO THE TRAFFIC SAFETY IS AN ISSUE. THE DESIGN, WE'RE AT A CRITICAL POINT WHERE WE'RE DISCUSSING DESIGN GUIDELINES. SO HOW THINGS LOOK MATTER IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA. AND I, I'M NOT CONVINCED THAT THIS USE GOING TO A 24 HOUR DRIVE THROUGH RIGHT NEXT TO A NEIGHBORHOOD IS IN LINE WITH ANYTHING RELATED TO OUR NORTH END WORK AND THE INVESTMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE. PLANNING AND VISIONING THE NORTH END. SO I REMAIN CONCERNED. I'LL JUST I'LL LEAVE THAT THERE AND LISTEN TO MY COLLEAGUES. SO THANK YOU. SO I GUESS THAT, YOU KNOW, I WENT BACK AND I LOOKED AND WE HAVE FIVE DISTRICTS, I BELIEVE, THAT ALLOW DRIVE THROUGH WITH CONDITIONAL USE IN FIVE DISTRICTS, YOU SAY. YEAH, THIS IS ONE OF THEM I THINK. SO I THINK IT'S JUST TWO DISTRICTS COMMERCIAL MIXED USE SHOPFRONT, MIXED USE COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR AND OFFICE MIXED USE. I THINK YOU'RE MIXING CHARACTER AREAS, BUT IT'S JUST THE COMMERCIAL MIXED USE AND THE SE. OKAY. SO THE C X CANNOT DO THIS THEN THAT DOESN'T MATTER OKAY. YES. SO I THINK THAT TUCKER TUCKER RECENTLY I KNOW THEIR BAN ON DRIVE THRUS IN CERTAIN AREAS BROUGHT THEM, I THINK MORE IN LINE WITH WHAT WE HAVE TODAY. YES. IS THAT CORRECT? BECAUSE WE, YOU KNOW, CITY SPRINGS IS OUR DOWNTOWN AREA, RIGHT? IN THAT DISTRICT IS NOT ALLOWED UNLESS YOU AND THEN THE CITY OF ATLANTA, I THINK, DOES PROHIBIT DRIVE THRUS IN CERTAIN AREAS BECAUSE THEY'RE TRYING TO PROMOTE WALKABLE TRANSIT AREA OR OTHER DENSE TYPE WALKABLE ZONES.

AND THEN I ALSO HAVE THE CONCERN ABOUT THE PROXIMITY TO THIS CLOSE TO A RESIDENTIAL AREA. I KNOW IT'S NOT A PROTECTED NEIGHBORHOOD. I HOPE WHEN WE GO AND DO THE NEXT TEN PLAN, WE CAN LOOK AT SOME OF THE PROTECTIONS GIVEN TO NEIGHBORHOODS ALSO GIVEN TO TOWNHOME COMMUNITIES BECAUSE THEY ARE RESIDENTIAL POTENTIAL. BUT I THINK THAT THAT IS A CONCERN FOR ME, THAT THE PROXIMITY AND I THINK THE ONLY OTHER ONE WE HAVE, LIKE THIS MIGHT BE THE TOWNHOME COMMUNITY NEAR THE ZAXBY'S, BUT THEY WERE BUILT AT THE SAME TIME. SO IT'S NOT LIKE THE PERSON WHO BUYS THE HOME AT THE END OF THE RUNWAY. THEY'RE AWARE OF THE AIRPORT. RIGHT. IN THIS CASE, THESE INDIVIDUALS PURCHASED THEIR HOME AND THERE WAS A BANK. WELL, THEN THE BANK CAME, AND NOW WE'RE LOOKING TO DO A DIFFERENT TYPE OF USE THERE. SO I'M NOT SO SURE. I KNOW THERE IS A BUFFERED AREA, BUT I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THIS. USE THIS CLOSE TO A RESIDENTIAL. AND THEN IF YOU LOOK MORE BROADLY, I MEAN WE'VE HAD JUST SINCE WE I MEAN, I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL, WE SEEM TO BE HAVING MORE PREVALENCE OF DRIVE THRUS. I KNOW WE HAD BANK. WE HAVE ANOTHER BANK COMING UP. WE HAVE THIS ONE. WE HAVE ANOTHER ONE. I DON'T KNOW, I THINK THERE COULD BE ANOTHER ONE. SO I JUST

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MAYBE MR. LEE CAN BACK THIS UP. WE GET A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY AS COUNCIL MEMBERS IN OUR CONSIDERATION. YOU KNOW, WE CAN BRING TO OUR OWN BIASES AND OUR THOUGHTS AND OUR SENSIBILITIES TO THIS. THAT'S WHY WE'RE THE DECIDERS, RIGHT? IS THAT TRUE, MR. LEE? WE HAVE A LOT OF PRETTY WIDE LATITUDE HERE. I AGREE WITH THE PART ABOUT YOU HAVE GREATER FLEXIBILITY, BUT I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE BIAS PART OF IT. WELL, WE BRING OUR NO. WE BRING OUR OWN LIFE EXPERIENCES. I DON'T MEAN BIAS AND WE BRING OUR OWN THOUGHTS AND PREJUDICE. SO I'M THERE'S A CASE THAT COMES TO MIND FROM 4 OR 5 YEARS AGO. IT WAS BEFORE MISS MILLER AND DOCTOR KELLY WERE ON COUNCIL, I'M PRETTY SURE. AND IT WAS A IN WHAT IS MISS MILLER'S DISTRICT, I THINK WAS NEAR HER NEIGHBORHOOD. AND IT WAS, AS I RECALL, A MULTIFAMILY COMMUNITY, AND THEY WANTED TO BECOME AN EXTENDED STAY OR OR THE OR THE VICE VERSA. AND, YOU KNOW, ZONING IS FOREVER. IF WE MAKE THIS DECISION, IT'S A FOREVER DECISION. AND IN THAT PARTICULAR CASE, I AGREE WITH MISS SMITH, THE RATIONALE WHERE I VOTED AGAINST IT WAS IT'S JUST ANYTHING'S BETTER THAN NOTHING.

AND I DIDN'T AGREE THEN, AND I REALLY DON'T AGREE NOW. I THINK I'M REALLY STUCK ON THE 24 HOUR COMPONENT OF THIS THING I THINK ABOUT. I KNOW THAT IT MAY BE A PERMITTED USE HERE, BUT IT IS A DESIRED USE. I THINK ABOUT THE PART OF TOWN WHERE I REPRESENT. THIS WOULD BE PEOPLE MIGHT BE UP IN ARMS IF THIS WAS THIS CLOSE TO THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. AND I WANT TO, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S GOOD FOR ONE SHOULD BE GOOD FOR THE OTHER. I RESPECT THE BUSINESS WANTING TO COME IN TO SANDY SPRINGS, BUT I THINK WE'RE NOT THERE YET. AND I AND I'VE HEARD FROM FOLKS, I'VE HEARD SOME WHO ARE FOR IT, SOME WHO ARE AGAINST IT, SOME AGNOSTIC. I TAKE THAT ALL INTO CONSIDERATION, BUT I'M REALLY STUCK ON THIS ON TWO THINGS THE 24 HOUR NATURE OF THIS AND ITS PROXIMITY TO A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAS VOICED OBJECTION. AND REALLY, IS THIS WHAT WE WANT? IS THIS THE VISION FOR THE NORTH END? WE HAVE SO MANY GREAT NEEDS UP THERE, AND I SUSPECT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE A DECISION OF NO IS NOT FOREVER. A DECISION OF YES IS FOREVER. TONIGHT I'M A NO. ANY FURTHER COMMENT? HEARING NONE. WE'LL CALL THE QUESTION. THE QUESTION IS ON AGENDA ITEM 2025 182, AS AMENDED, AN ORDINANCE TO ALLOW FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO ALLOW A DRIVE THROUGH FACILITY IN THE CK THREE ZONING DISTRICT WITH EIGHT FOOT FENCING AND A SOLID FENCING AND SCREENING VEGETATION, A TWO FOOT ARTICULATED FRONT, AND A CONTRASTING COLOR IS THE IS THAT IS THAT A FAIR STATEMENT OF YOUR MOTION, MR. PAULSON? ACTUALLY, I SCRATCHED CONTRASTING COLOR. ALL RIGHT. TAKE THE CONTRASTING COLOR OUT. BUT THE ARTICULATION I HAD IN THERE. ALL RIGHT. SO ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, SAY JUST ARE WE ACCEPTING STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS AS WELL. AND THOSE. YES. THAT'S THE THAT'S THE MOTION. I READ THIS FROM THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, BULLET POINT NUMBER TWO. RIGHT WITH THE ADDITION OF THOSE TWO POINTS. OKAY. GREAT. THANK YOU. SO THE ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION SAY AYE. AYE. OPPOSED. NO NO NO. ALL RIGHT. THE CHAIR IS IN DOUBT.

ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, RAISE YOUR HAND. ALL OPPOSED? NO. ALL RIGHT. WE ARE GOING TO DEFEAT THE ITEM TONIGHT. THANK YOU. MAYOR PAUL. YES? MAY I CLARIFY? IS THAT A NO VOTE

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SO YOU VOTED NO, I THE I THINK I STATED WHAT THE CHARTER SAYS. WHAT WILL THE WHAT WILL THE MINUTES REFLECT? WELL, THE MINUTES WILL REFLECT THAT THE MOTION DIED. OKAY. I AM BOUND BY THE CHARTER. AND THE CHARTER SAYS I CAN ONLY VOTE IN THE AFFIRMATIVE. OKAY. SO YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO VOTE NO. SO I'M NOT ALLOWED TO VOTE IN THE NEGATIVE. SO IN OTHER OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO CLEAR FOR THE RECORD AND LET THE IMPACT OF THE DECISION CAN BE INTERPRETED ANY WAY YOU WISH.

ALL RIGHT. BUT THE RESULT IS THE ITEM FAILED. I FEEL LIKE DEJA VU ALL OVER AGAIN. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. I'M JUST GOING BY WHAT THE CHARTER SAYS. ALL RIGHT. CLERK, PLEASE READ THE NEXT ITEM.

AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 2025 183, THIS IS RZ 25 ONE AT 5375 NORTHLAND DRIVE. CONSIDERATION OF AN ORDINANCE TO REZONE THE PROPERTY AT 5375 NORTHLAND DRIVE. THAT'S PARCEL NUMBER 1706 80030463 FROM RC ONE RESIDENTIAL DETACHED ONE ACRE, MINIMUM LOT SIZE TO DD 7.5. RESIDENTIAL DETACHED 7500FT■!S. MINIMUM LOT SIZE. ZONING DISTRICT. THIS IS PRESENTED BY PLANNING AND ZONING MANAGER MICHELLE MCINTOSH. ROSS. MISS MCINTOSH. ROSS. ALL RIGHT, LAST ONE. WE ARE HERE FOR R Z 20 5-1 AT 5375 NORTHLAND DRIVE. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS AND PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A ZONING MAP AMENDMENT A REZONING OF 2353 75 NORTHLAND DRIVE FROM R3 ONE RESIDENTIAL ESTATE, ONE ACRE TO DD 7.5, RESIDENTIAL DETACHED, 7500FT■!S LOT MINIMUM. TO THE LT IS THE CHARACTER AREA MAP. IT IS IN THE PROTECTED NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE ZONING IS RI. AT THE MOMENT. THIS RE ZONED PROPERTY IS SANDWICHED BETWEEN A LOW RISE APARTMENT BUILDING ZONED R M, WHICH IS RESIDENTIAL, MULTI-UNIT, THREE STORIES TO THE NORTH AND TO THE SOUTH IS AN RD 12 NEIGHBORHOOD, THE HIGH POINT NEIGHBORHOOD. HERE IS AN AERIAL. LET ME JUST MENTION, THOUGH, ACROSS THE ACROSS FROM NORTHLAND DRIVE TO THE WEST IS THE NORTH GLEN ESTATES NEIGHBORHOOD AND THAT IS ZONED RD 18. AND THERE ARE A FEW LOTS ALONG NORTHLAND DRIVE. AS YOU CAN SEE, TO THE LEFT IS THE AERIAL OF THE SUBJECT SITE ONLINE IN TEAL. BLUE IS THE SUBJECT SITE. THE EXISTING SURVEY IS TO THE RIGHT AND IT SHOWS THE ALMOST TWO ACRE PROPERTY WITH THE EXISTING SITE, HOME SITE AND THE DRIVEWAY SHOWN ON THAT SURVEY. THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT IS AN UNOCCUPIED, SINGLE 1960S RANCH STYLE RESIDENCE ON APPROXIMATELY TWO ACRES, WHICH IS MOSTLY WOODED. THE TOP RIGHT PICTURE SHOWS THE UNOCCUPIED HOUSE WITH THE DRIVEWAY, AND THE RIGHT BOTTOM PICTURE IS SHOWS THE LUSH WOODS ON THE PROPERTY. THIS IS THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT SITE PLAN. THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS TO DIVIDE THE PARCEL INTO THREE SEPARATE PARCELS, TO BUILD A MAXIMUM OF THREE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. THIS IS EXHIBIT A. WE DECIDED TO COLOR CODE IT BECAUSE WE FELT YOU COULDN'T SEE MUCH ON THAT BLACK AND WHITE PICTURE. SO HERE IS A COLOR CODED VERSION TO HELP DIFFERENTIATE THE PARCELS AND THE DRIVEWAY. SO AS YOU CAN SEE, THE PARCEL NUMBER ONE IS GREEN. AND PARCEL NUMBER TWO IS IN BLUE. AND PARCEL THREE WE CALL IT PINK. THE SINGLE NEW DRIVEWAY IS IN GRAY. AND THIS IS ALSO GOING TO BE CONSIDERED OUR EXHIBIT A FOR THE CONDITIONS. SO THE PROPOSED ZONING IS TO GO TO D 7.5, WHICH AS I MENTIONED IS 7500FT■!S MINIMUM. HOWEVER, EACH PARCEL WILL EXCEED THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE FOR THE PROPOSED ZONING DISTRICT. THEY RANGE FROM 0.42 ALMOST HALF ACRE TO 0.73 ACRES, WHICH WOULD BE MORE COMPARABLE TO AN RD 18 AND TWO RD 27 LOT SIZES. THE RD 7.5 ZONING IS

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NEXT A QUESTION. YEAH, SO THE 60 FOOT REQUIREMENT IF YOU GO BACK TO THIS PICTURE OKAY. ALONG NORTHLAND DRIVE, YOU'RE SAYING THE WAY IT NOW STANDS THE GREEN STRETCH ALONG NORTHLAND 60FT.

THE BLUE STRETCH UP TO THE DRIVEWAY IS 60FT. AND SOUTH OF THE DRIVEWAY THAT PINK STRETCH IS 60FT. YES, BUT IT'S DECEPTIVE BECAUSE THE PINK GOES UNDER THE DRIVEWAY. WHAT'S UNDER THE DRIVEWAY? SO THERE'S PINK PORTIONS IF YOU LOOK UNDER. YEAH. SO WE MAYBE WE COULD HAVE MADE IT MORE TRANSPARENT. BUT FOR THE BLUE AND THE PINK THAT DRIVEWAY GOES OVER IT. SO IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S. YEAH. OKAY. CONTINUE. ALL RIGHT. HERE WE GO. SO THE CONSIDERATIONS THE NEXT TEN COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THIS WILL IMPROVE THE TRANSITIONS BETWEEN THE LAND USES AND MAINTAIN THE LARGER LOTS SIMILAR TO THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOODS. AS I MENTIONED THE LOT SIZES WOULD BE MORE COMPARABLE TO RD 18 AND RD 27 LOT SIZES RANGING FROM THE 4.320.42 ACRES TO 0.73 ACRES. THE SUBJECT SITE WILL SERVE AS A NEEDED TRANSITION BETWEEN THAT MULTIFAMILY APARTMENT COMPLEX TO THE NORTH, TRANSITIONING DOWN TO THE SINGLE UNIT PROTECTED NEIGHBORHOODS TO THE SOUTH. THE PROPOSAL WILL RESULT IN INCREASING THE HOUSING STOCK OF NEW SINGLE UNIT DETACHED HOUSING BY THREE, THEREFORE INCREASING THE OPPORTUNITY FOR HOME OCCUPIER, OWNER OCCUPIED HOMES IN SANDY SPRINGS. WHICH IS A GOOD THING. THE RECOMMENDATION STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS OF ZONING MAP AMENDMENT RZ 20 5-1 TO REZONE FROM R1 TO RD 7.5 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. THAT THERE BE A MAXIMUM OF THREE RESIDENTIAL LOTS SUBDIVIDED AT PARCEL 17. SPACE. 006800030463, AND NUMBER TWO THAT ALL THREE LOTS SHALL BE SERVED BY ONE ACCESS POINT FROM NORTHLAND DRIVE, AT THE MOST SUITABLE LOCATION, TO BE DETERMINED BY THE CITY ENGINEER, AND THREE AS SHOWN ON EXHIBIT A, THE CORRESPONDING LOTS MUST MEET THE FOLLOWING MAXIMUM LOT COVERAGES. SO FOR THE LOT LABELED, ONE SHALL NOT EXCEED 35%, WITH AN ADDITIONAL 5% SUBJECT TO PROPER MITIGATION. PROPER MITIGATION MITIGATION EFFORTS DETERMINED BY THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR. AND FOR THE LOT LABELED TWO SHALL NOT EXCEED 30%, WITH AN ADDITIONAL 5% SUBJECT TO PROPER MITIGATION EFFORTS DETERMINED BY THE DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT. AND FOR THE LOT LABELED THREE SHALL NOT EXCEED 30%, WITH AN ADDITIONAL 5% SUBJECT TO PROPER MITIGATION EFFORTS DETERMINED BY THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR. SO THESE CONDITIONS WILL HELP PRESERVE THE WOODS AND THE PERVIOUS SURFACES ON THE LOTS, AND WILL SERVE AS A GOOD TRANSITION INTO THE CHARACTER OF THE SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS TO THE SOUTH. AS FAR AS PUBLIC COMMENTS, WE HAD SIX COME IN IN TOTAL, ONE IN FAVOR, THREE. I'M SORRY, FOUR OPPOSED. WE GOT ONE ON FRIDAY AND THEN ONE WAS NEUTRAL, AS CATEGORIZED BY THE COMMENTERS. AND THAT IS MY PRESENTATION. ALL RIGHT. YOU'VE HEARD THE REPORT OF THE PLANNING ZONING MANAGER. WHAT'S THE EXCUSE ME, PUBLIC COMMENT. ANY PUBLIC COMMENT CARDS? YES. WE HAVE ONE IN SUPPORT AND TWO IN OPPOSITION. WE HAVE PAUL MORROW IN SUPPORT. MR. MORROW. THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NAME IS PAUL MORROW. I LIVE AT 550 TIMBER VALLEY ROAD, WHICH IS ABOUT THREE BLOCKS TO THE SOUTH OF THIS RIGHT OFF HIGH POINT ROAD. I'VE LIVED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR 25 YEARS, BUILT THE HOUSE 25 YEARS AGO, HAVE BUILT MULTIPLE OTHER HOUSES IN THE HIGH POINT AREA,

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MY NAME IS DAVID KUNYINSKY AND I'VE LIVED FOR 29 YEARS. ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS. LOT, AND I SEE NO REASON WHY WE HAVE TO THROW ALL OUR. RULES AND REGULATIONS DOWN THE TOILET TO.

TO LET SOMEBODY ADD MORE. LOT MORE LOTS TO THE AREA, THE AREA IF THE APPLICANT WOULD JUST MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE AREA, HE SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET BY, THERE'S NO REASON TO TURN.

THREE. I MEAN, THIS BIG THING YOU SAW AND WE'RE MOVING THINGS, NOT CALLING THEM FLAG LOTS BECAUSE OF A TECHNICALITY. YOU'RE JUST IT IT'S THE WRONG WAY TO GO FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND IF I COULD SAVE SOME OF MY TIME FOR REBUTTAL, I'D LIKE TO. ALL RIGHT. I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT THAT WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED. YOU NEED TO SAY WHATEVER YOU'RE GOING TO SAY. NOW, ONLY THE APPLICANT HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME BACK BECAUSE WE HAVE OTHER PEOPLE WHO WANT TO SPEAK. SO.

OKAY, WELL, I'M AGAINST IT. I OWN, LIKE I SAY, I'VE GOT TWO ON THE ON ONE SIDE OF THE STREET.

YOU'VE GOT A SERIES OF TWO ACRE LOTS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET. YOU'VE GOT SOME COMPROMISES TO THAT. AND I DO NOT. I THINK THAT TRYING TO SQUEEZE ANOTHER THREE LOTS OUT OF THIS AREA IS GOING TO BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE VALUE OF THE PEOPLE WHO ALREADY OWN PROPERTY THERE, LIKE ME. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MR. KUNYINSKY. WHO'S NEXT? THAT'S IT. OKAY. I'M SORRY. I THOUGHT WE HAD MORE. ALL RIGHT, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ASPECT OF THE ITEM. YOU'VE HEARD THE COMMENTS, AND I'M SO SORRY TO INTERRUPT. I WASN'T SURE IF YOU WANTED TO ASK FOR REBUTTAL FROM THE APPLICANT. OR DOES THE APPLICANT WISH REBUTTAL? OKAY. GO AHEAD. I'LL ONLY BE A MINUTE.

THE EXISTING ZONING OF RE1 IN BETWEEN R.D. 12 AND MULTI-FAMILY. I DON'T I DON'T THINK THAT'S A REASON. IF YOU CALL THAT A TRANSITION. I DON'T QUITE KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN BY TRANSITION, BUT I THINK GOING FROM DX 12 TO DX 7.5 TO RESIDENT TO MULTI-FAMILY IS NOT AN UNREASONABLE ASK. AND ON TOP OF THAT, THE MOST OF THE LOTS THAT I'M DOING ARE BIGGER THAN THE DX 12 LOTS. SO, YOU KNOW, I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT POINT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER COMMENTS. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION. YOU'VE HEARD THE REPORT OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING MANAGER AND THE APPLICANT AND THE OPPONENTS. WHAT'S THE DESIRE OF COUNCIL, MR. MAYOR? MR. DEGIULIO, I MOVE APPROVAL OF ITEM 2025 183 OF 5375 NORTHLAND DRIVE WITH THE STAFF CONDITIONS AND ALSO WITH SOME ADDITIONAL THINGS ON HERE. THAT THE FIRST HOUSE. I DON'T REMEMBER THE COLOR CODE ON HERE NOW, BUT THE FIRST HOUSE THAT'S OFF OF NORTHLAND FACED NORTHLAND DRIVE. OH, THERE WE GO. THE GREEN FACE NORTHLAND DRIVE AND. MICHELLE, WE REQUIRE SIDEWALKS ON THAT AREA DON'T WE. THAT'S YEAH IT'S WITHOUT SAYING IT'S ON THE SIDEWALK NETWORK AND THAT'S THE ONLY PIECE THAT'S MISSING. I'M SORRY I CAN'T HEAR. YEAH, IT'S ON THE SIDEWALK. MASTER PLAN. OH IT IS OKAY. OKAY. SO THEN THE CONDITION, THE ADDITIONAL CONDITION I LIKE TO PUT IS THAT THE, THE HOUSE ON THE GREEN FACED NORTHLAND. OKAY, OKAY. THAT'S MY MOTION, MR.

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I'VE BEEN OPPOSED TO FLAG LOTS SINCE WE PASSED THE ORIGINAL THING IN 2006 OR 2007 AGAINST FLAG LOTS, BUT I THINK IN THIS CASE HERE, I KNOW THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY. IT'S A TWO ACRE PIECE OF PROPERTY, AND IN THE ENTIRE HIGH POINT AREA, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF TWO ACRE PIECES OF PROPERTY, BUT TWO ACRES IS REALLY NOT ECONOMIC IN SANDY SPRINGS ANYMORE BECAUSE THE SIZE OF A HOUSE YOU HAVE TO PUT ON TWO ACRES IS SO ASTRONOMICAL THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THREE, 4 OR $5 MILLION HOMES. AND THAT'S AND I MEAN, AND GRANTED, THESE HOUSES ARE PROBABLY GOING TO BE SOMEBODY SAID $1.5 MILLION. THERE'S NO WAY THESE HOMES WILL BE $1.5 MILLION. THERE'LL BE $2 MILLION HOMES. THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT IT. BECAUSE BECAUSE THE LAND IS SO EXPENSIVE, IF WE WANT TO HAVE MORE HOUSING IN SANDY SPRINGS, WE'VE GOT TO MAKE IT MORE AFFORDABLE FOR PEOPLE. AND WE AND THE BIGGEST THING IN AFFORDABILITY, ESPECIALLY IN IN THE SOUTH, IN THE HIGH POINT AREA AND ALL THE SOUTH OF 285 IS THE COST OF THE LAND. THE LAND IS JUST ASTRONOMICAL. AND SO I THINK THIS MAKES A LOT OF SENSE HERE. IT'S A COMPROMISE. I UNDERSTAND I HAVEN'T RECEIVED VERY MANY OBJECTIONS TO IT EXCEPT FROM ONE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT. AND I UNDERSTAND THEM THAT THEY DON'T WANT THIS BACKING UP TO THEM, BUT I THINK THEY RATHER HAVE THIS BACK UP TO THEM THAN HAVE ANOTHER APARTMENT COMPLEX BACKING UP TO THEM, WHICH IS WHICH IS THE ALTERNATE USE OF THIS TWO ACRES HERE. AND SO THAT WAS REASON FOR MY, MY PROPOSAL, MY RECOMMENDATION ON IT. ALL RIGHT. ANY FURTHER COMMENT, MISS ROCHELLE? REAL QUICK QUESTION BEFORE I SAY WHAT I WANT TO SAY. CAN YOU PUT APARTMENTS ON HERE OR KRISTEN, YOU CAN'T PUT APARTMENTS ON HERE, RIGHT. NOT AS IT'S CURRENTLY. RIGHT. OKAY. SO WHAT I OBSERVED WHEN I WENT TO VISIT THE PROPERTY WAS IT WAS SURROUNDED BY SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, NOT HIGH DENSITY DEVELOPMENT. AND THIS PROPOSAL IS ASKING TO FIT THREE LOTS WHERE THE ZONING REQUIRES LARGE ESTATE LOTS. AND I CAN I WOULD PROBABLY BE OKAY WITH PUTTING TWO HOUSES HERE, BUT I FEEL LIKE IT'S A FORCE FRONTAGE. LIKE ADAM SAID, IT'S LIKE PUTTING A SQUARE PEG IN A ROUND HOLE. I HAVE BEEN CONSISTENT IN SAYING THAT I WANT MORE OWNER OCCUPIED HOUSING IN SANDY SPRINGS, BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN APPROVING EVERY PROJECT THAT COMES FORWARD. RESPONSIBLE DEVELOPMENT MEANS CREATING HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES WHILE PRESERVING THE CHARACTER AND STANDARDS OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. THIS REZONING MANIPULATES FRONTAGE TO MAKE THE LOT APPEAR WORKABLE, BUT THE REALITY IS THAT IT STRETCHES THE INTENT OF OUR ZONING CODE. IF WE APPROVE THIS, WE SET A PRECEDENT, LIKE ADAM SAID, THAT OUR RA ONE ZONING CAN BE CHIPPED AWAY WHENEVER SOMEONE WANTS TO SQUEEZE IN MORE DENSITY, AND THAT'S NOT FAIR TO THE NEIGHBORS. I WENT AND VISITED DAVID AT HIS HOUSE. IT'S AND, YOU KNOW, THEY INVESTED A LOT IN THEIR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. AND IT'S NOT RIGHT FOR LONG TERM PLANNING DECISION, IN MY OPINION, FOR SANDY SPRINGS. SO I SUPPORT BRINGING MORE OWNER OCCUPIED HOMES TO SANDY SPRINGS, BUT NOT COMPROMISING OUR ZONING STANDARDS OR THE CHARACTER OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. THIS PROPOSAL MANIPULATES FRONTAGE, INCREASES DENSITY WHERE IT DOES NOT BELONG, AND SETS THE WRONG

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HEARING NONE, WE WILL CALL THE QUESTION. THE QUESTION IS ON AGENDA ITEM 2025 183, AN ORDINANCE TO REZONE THE PROPERTY AT 5375 NORTHLAND FROM RE ONE RESIDENTIAL TO D 7570 500FT■!S, MINIMUM LOT SIZE WITH THE FIRST HOUSE OF ON THE GREEN PORTION TO BE FACING NORTHLAND. ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION SAY AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? NO. THE ITEM IS APPROVED. THE CLERK PLEASE READ THE NEXT ITEM. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 2025 184. THIS IS CONSIDERATION OF AN ORDINANCE TO SET THE MILLAGE RATE FOR FISCAL YEAR 2026 AD VALOREM TAX RATE. AND THIS IS THE THIRD AND FINAL PUBLIC HEARING PRESENTED BY CITY MANAGER IAN FREEMAN. MR. FREEMAN, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. AS THE CITY CLERK SAID, THIS IS OUR THIRD AND FINAL PUBLIC HEARING TO ESTABLISH THE TAX RATE FOR 2025. IT IS PROPOSED BY STAFF TO REMAIN THE SAME AS THE TAX RATE THAT IS IN OUR CHARTER. 4.731 MILLS. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS COUNCIL MAY HAVE. ALL RIGHT. HAVE WE RECEIVED ANY PUBLIC COMMENT CARDS? EXCUSE ME. NOPE. ARE WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. YOU'VE HEARD THE REPORT OF THE CITY MANAGER. WHAT'S THE DESIRE OF COUNCIL MAYOR PAUL? MR. PAULSON, I MOVE APPROVAL OF AGENDA ITEM 2025 180. WELL, WE DON'T HAVE TO VOTE. I'M SORRY. YOU DO. WE DO, WE DO. OH, THAT'S A TYPO IN YOUR SCRIPT. I'M SORRY. OH, OKAY. I WAS I WAS CONFUSED BECAUSE IT SAYS NO ACTION NEEDED, BUT I THOUGHT WE HAD TO ADOPT IT. ALL RIGHT, SO ACTION IS TONIGHT. YES WE DO I MY SCRIPT WAS WRONG. SO. ALL RIGHT, MR. PAULSON, MOVE.

APPROVAL OF AGENDA ITEM 2025 184. CONSIDERATION OF AN ORDINANCE TO SET THE MILLAGE RATE FOR FISCAL YEAR 2026. AD VALOREM TAX RATE, PUBLIC HEARING NUMBER THREE. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION BY MR. PAULSON. IS THERE A SECOND MOTION BY MR. PAULSON, SECONDED BY MR. DEGIULIO, THAT WE ADOPT THE AD VALOREM TAX RATE AS PROPOSED AND PUBLISHED AT 4.7141313. SEVEN.

NO, 74.731731 OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ANY DISCUSSION, MR. PAULSON? WE DEAL WITH THIS EVERY YEAR. I'M A BIG BELIEVER, AND I'VE TALKED TO FOLKS IN THE COMMUNITY WHO HAVE SAID, JUST LEAVE IT ALONE. IF IT COSTS ME ANOTHER 60 OR $80 OR HOWEVER MUCH IT COSTS A TYPICAL HOUSE, BUILD ME ANOTHER SIDEWALK. SO I SUPPORT THIS RATHER THAN SUPPORT THE IDEA OF ROLLING THIS BACK. AND LET'S LEAVE IT ALONE. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION, MR. DEGIULIO, THEN, MR. BAUMAN? YES, MR. MAYOR, AS EVERYONE IS AWARE, 4.731 IS WHAT WE USED TO PAY 20 PLUS YEARS AGO FOR THE SPECIAL SERVICES DISTRICT, OF WHICH WE GOT ZERO. BUT WE HAVE KEPT THE SEVEN POINT, I MEAN, THE 4.731 FOR ALL THESE YEARS WHEN WE HAVE TALKED TO RESIDENTS IN THE PAST ABOUT CHANGING THAT. AND OF COURSE, WE CAN ONLY BRING IT UP WITH A VOTE OF OUR RESIDENTS. BUT BY BUT THE COUNCIL DOES HAVE THE POWER TO BRING IT DOWN. WHEN WE HAVE SPOKEN WITH OUR RESIDENTS IN THE PAST, THEY'VE ALMOST BEEN UNANIMOUS IN THAT WE'RE DOING THAT. THE COUNCIL AND THE CITY IS DOING SUCH A CREDIBLE JOB MANAGING THEIR MONEY, THEY WOULD RATHER HAVE THAT EXTRA COUPLE OF DOLLARS GO IN THERE FOR CONTINUED IMPROVEMENTS IN THE CITY RATHER THAN BRINGING IT DOWN. AND SO THAT'S THE REASON I SUPPORT THE 4.731. AND I THINK THAT WE SHOULD CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN THAT. OKAY. MR. BAUMAN, THANK YOU. I THINK I LARGELY AGREE WITH WHAT I HEARD, ALTHOUGH I DO KNOW THAT OUR RESIDENTS ARE DEEPLY CONCERNED ABOUT TAXING COMING FROM ALL PLACES. WE ALL PUSHED BACK ON THE FULTON COUNTY TAX INCREASE, AND I'M GLAD THEY DIDN'T DO THAT. IN THE INTEREST OF JUST DOING MY JOB THIS MORNING, I HAD SOME QUESTIONS AND I WANT TO AT LEAST CLOSE THE LOOP FOR FOLKS THAT MAY HAVE BEEN LISTENING, MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THE IMPACT OF A ROLLBACK WOULD HAVE BEEN $400,000. THAT WHILE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE IMPACT ON THE BUDGET WOULD HAVE BEEN BECAUSE THERE'S STILL MOVING TARGETS, IT'S A DE MINIMIS AMOUNT. WE PROBABLY COULD HAVE ABSORBED IT IN THE BUDGET, A ROLLBACK. AND IT WOULD HAVE IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A GOOD SIGNAL TO THE COMMUNITY AND SOMETHING THAT WE ALWAYS NEED TO BE MINDFUL OF. BUT I ALSO ASKED THIS MORNING, THE CITY MANAGER, AS TO WHETHER A ROLLBACK COULD IMPACT OUR CREDIT RATING. AND I THINK THE ANSWER WAS MAYBE, IS THAT AN ACCURATE REPRESENTATION? POSSIBLY, POSSIBLY. AND I'M NOT WILLING TO TAKE THAT RISK. SO I WILL CONTINUE TO LOOK OUT FOR THE TAX DOLLARS, A EFFECT. A

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BUT THEY DID HIGHLIGHT THE FACT THAT WE ARE REVENUE CONSTRAINED BY THE MILLAGE RATE. SO THAT IS A PARTICULAR ISSUE THAT WE NEED TO BE COGNIZANT OF. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. WE'LL CALL THE QUESTION THE QUESTIONS ON AGENDA ITEM 2025 104. I SAID I'M 184. AN ORDINANCE TO SET THE MILLAGE RATE FOR FISCAL YEAR 2026 AD VALOREM RATE AT 4.731 MILLS. ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION SAY AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? NO. THE ITEM IS APPROVED. MOVING TO OLD

[IX. Old Business]

CONSIDERATION OF AN ORDINANCE TO AMEND SUBPART A, CHAPTER SIX, ARTICLE TWO, DIVISION SEVEN.

THAT'S SECTION SIX 175 OF THE CITY CODE OF ORDINANCES TO AMEND THE DEFINITION OF CITY SPRINGS TO INCLUDE ADDITIONAL ON STREET PARKING AND PUBLIC PARKING FACILITIES. THIS IS PRESENTED BY DIRECTOR OF FACILITIES AND CAPITAL CONSTRUCTION BUILDING OPERATIONS DAVE WELLS. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. NEXT, TWO ITEMS ARE ADDRESSING THE PARKING HERE AT CITY SPRINGS. AND BEFORE I PRESENT MY FIRST ITEM, I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE THE OWNER OF 12 OAKS, JEREMY SCOTT, AND HIS SENIOR VICE PRESIDENT. THEY HAD A QUICK PRESENTATION TO GO OVER THE THINGS THAT THEY'VE DONE OVER THE LAST FOUR MONTHS. WHEN THEY TOOK OVER THE OPERATIONS HERE AT CITY SPRINGS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU FOR HAVING US. MY NAME IS JEREMY SCOTT. 12490 CHARLOTTE DRIVE, MILTON, GEORGIA. AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO. WE WERE EXCITED LAST YEAR WHEN WE WERE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE RFP PROCESS FOR THE MANAGEMENT AND OVERSIGHT OF THE PARKING OPERATIONS HERE AT CITY SPRINGS. WE'RE HAPPY TO HAVE BEEN AWARDED THAT CONTRACT AND EFFECTIVE APRIL 14TH OF THIS YEAR, IS WHEN WE TRANSITIONED OPERATIONS FROM THE PREVIOUS OPERATOR. CAN WE GO TO THE FIRST SLIDE, PLEASE? DO I HAVE IT? OOPS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SORRY ABOUT THAT. WHEN WE TOOK OVER, SOME OF THE PRIMARY GOALS THAT WE WERE GIVEN BY THE CITY WAS TO IMPROVE CUSTOMER SERVICE AND PARKING EFFICIENCY, AS WELL AS STREAMLINE OPERATIONS AND SUPPORT A BETTER AND OVERALL EXPERIENCE FOR VISITORS, RESIDENTS AND STAFF. WE TOOK OVER, AND FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT DON'T KNOW THE SCOPE OF OUR OPERATIONS ARE WE MANAGE THE NEW ON STREET PARKING PROGRAM, BOTH MANAGEMENT OF THE REVENUE COLLECTION AS WELL AS THE ENFORCEMENT. WE OPERATE THE PARKING DECK. WE OPERATE THE VALET SERVICES ON PROPERTY FOR BOTH THE RETAIL OPERATIONS AS WELL AS THE EVENT SIDE OF THE BUSINESS, AND WE COORDINATE WITH STAFF REGARDING SPECIAL EVENTS, MANAGEMENT OF THE LOGISTICS OF THOSE EVENTS. WHAT I WANTED TO TRY TO BRIEFLY DO IS HIGHLIGHT IN OUR MINDS, WHAT ARE SOME OF THE EARLY SUCCESSES OF THE THREE MONTHS THAT WE'VE BEEN IN OPERATION HERE ON THE PROPERTY? FROM A FINANCIAL PERSPECTIVE, WE FEEL LIKE WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO BRING AN IMMEDIATE POSITIVE IMPACT FOR THE CITIZENS OF SANDY SPRINGS. HISTORICALLY, WE WERE AWARE THAT THE PARKING OPERATION WAS NOT CONSISTENTLY COVERING ITS OPERATING EXPENSES, AND AT THIS POINT, WE'VE ELIMINATED ALL OF THE COSTS TO THE CITY FOR THE PARKING PROGRAM THROUGH WHAT WE BELIEVE IS RESPONSIBLE DEPLOYMENT OF REVENUE ENHANCEMENT STRATEGIES. WE BELIEVE IN THE FIRST YEAR, WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO AT LEAST DOUBLE THE ANNUAL REVENUE COLLECTIONS WHEN COMPARED TO PREVIOUS YEARS OF OPERATIONS, AND THAT'S WITH SOME. WE'RE GOING TO SHOW SOME DATA LATER IN THE PRESENTATION. BUT AS IT RELATES TO THE STREET PARKING, OVER 88% OF RESIDENTS OR VISITORS WHO USE THE STREET PARKING ARE STILL ABLE TO GET FREE PARKING, BASED ON THE POSTED GRACE PERIOD FOR THOSE SPACES. FROM AN OPERATIONAL CUSTOMER SERVICE PERSPECTIVE, THE ADDITIONAL REVENUES HAVE ALLOWED US TO INVEST IN ADDITIONAL PERSONNEL AND MANAGEMENT TO HELP BE HERE ON SITE AND HELP ADMINISTER THE PROGRAM. WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO MORE

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YOU DO GET TWO HOURS FREE, BUT YOU MUST REGISTER YOUR CAR THAT WAY. WE KNOW HOW LONG YOU'VE BEEN HERE. WE KNOW IF YOU'VE BEEN HERE FOR 30 MINUTES. WE KNOW IF YOU'VE BEEN HERE FOR TWO HOURS. IF YOU'VE BEEN OVER TWO HOURS THAT YOU NEED TO PAY, YOU'VE USED UP YOUR YOUR FREE GRACE PERIOD. PLEASE, YOU KNOW, PAY FOR PARKING. SOME OF THE STATS THAT JEREMY REFERRED TO ARE FOR THE ON STREET PARKING, SPECIFICALLY. THIS IS SINCE WE STARTED IN APRIL UP UNTIL AUGUST 11TH. AS YOU CAN SEE, APRIL WAS ONLY A HALF MONTH. IT WAS 17 DAYS I BELIEVE, BUT THERE WAS

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THIS IS THE SOUTH PARKING AREA AND ALL THE STREET SPACES. WE HAD 643 PAID PARKING SESSIONS FOR A TOTAL OF 5200 SESSIONS. MAY. THAT ALMOST DOUBLED AT 8582. OUR FREE SESSIONS, 1908 PAID PARKING SESSIONS. YOU CAN SEE JUNE. IT KEEPS GOING UP, THE NUMBER OF FREE SESSIONS, THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT ARE ACTIVELY CREATING A PARKING SESSION THROUGH THE QR CODE OR THE TEXT TO PAY. ONE THING TO NOTE ON HERE THAT I FIND PARTICULARLY INTRIGUING IS JULY.

THE MONTH OF JULY FOR US, IS ONE OF OUR SLOWEST MONTHS ACROSS ALL OF OUR PROPERTIES. HOWEVER, JULY HERE IS THE HIGHEST MONTH FOR REGISTERED TRANSACTIONS. 13,000 OF THOSE WERE FREE TRANSACTIONS, 1100 WERE PAID TRANSACTIONS, 92% OF CITIZENS USING THE PAID PARKING AREA IN THE SURFACE AND STREET AREA WERE FREE SESSIONS. SINCE WE'VE STARTED UP UNTIL THE 11TH OF AUGUST, 88% OF SESSIONS CREATED HAVE BEEN FREE PARKING SESSIONS. I THINK THAT'S AWESOME. I THINK IT'S GREAT.

THERE'S PLENTY OF PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING TO THE PROPERTY THAT ARE VISITING US, GETTING THE PREMIUM AREA, WHICH IS THE STREET AREA, AND GETTING FREE SESSIONS. THAT'S PRETTY MUCH ALL I HAVE. I WOULD LIKE COUNCIL. I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT ANOTHER VERY IMPORTANT NUMBER THERE, 47,000 TRANSACTIONS. WE HAD 47,000 SUCCESSFUL QR OR TEXT MESSAGE TRANSACTIONS. PEOPLE LOGGING INTO THE SYSTEM JUST IN THE THREE AND A HALF MONTHS. SO. DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR 12 OAKS BEFORE I CONTINUE ON MY ITEM, MR. ROCHELLE. SO THIS IS GREAT. THANK YOU. AND I LIKE THE NEW SIGNS. MY CONCERN IS THAT THE SIGNS, AT LEAST THE ONES OVER HERE, SEEM TO BE REALLY TALL. AND I USED ONE TODAY AND I WAS LIKE, YOU KNOW, LOOKING UP. AND I ALSO AM CONCERNED ABOUT PEOPLE THAT ARE MAYBE IN WHEELCHAIRS. AND SO CAN YOU LOWER SOME OF THIS ONS. SO ACTUALLY THESE SIGNS HERE WILL BE ON THE GROUND IN THE SANDWICH BOARDS IN ALL THOSE AREAS. SO WE HAVE I THINK IT'S 21 SIGNS THAT ARE GOING TO GO UP AND REPLACE THEM AND PUT THE QR CODES ON THERE. THE REASON WE PUT THEM HIGH ON THE POLES IS BECAUSE OF PEOPLE PUTTING FAKE QR CODES ON THEM, SO WE PUT THEM OUT OF REACH TO PEOPLE. THIS IS HARD TO SEE. I MEAN, EVEN ESPECIALLY WHEN THE SUN'S FACING YOU, I CAN'T, I CAN'T, IT'S HARD TO SEE. SO. YES, MA'AM, WE HAVE WE HAVE MORE SIGNAGE COMING OUT THAT WILL HAVE THE QR CODE ON THERE, THE TEXT TO PAY THAT.

SAME WITH THE RETAIL STORES. I HEAR YOU, I UNDERSTAND. SOME OF THE INTERACTIONS THAT I'VE HAD WITH PEOPLE. IF THEY ZOOM THEIR CAMERA, THEY CAN HIT THAT QR CODE. BUT THAT'S WHY THAT TEXT CODE IS THERE TO. BUT AGAIN, WE DID WANT TO PLACE THEM HIGHER TO PREVENT SOMEONE FROM SLAPPING ONE OF THOSE STICKERS ON THERE. THAT WOULD. IT'S THE SAME THING AS A SKIMMER. WHEN YOU GO TO THE ATM. UNFORTUNATELY, THERE ARE A LOT OF SCAMS OUT THERE AND THAT IS ONE OF THE SCAMS, BUT WE ARE DOING DAILY CHECKS TO CHECK THOSE QR CODES. MAYBE YOU CAN LOOK AT LOWERING EVEN JUST SIX INCHES OR SOMETHING. I MEAN, THEY'RE PRETTY TALL, SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ROOM FOR TO LOWER THEM JUST A LITTLE BIT. ABSOLUTELY. CONSIDER THAT. AND WE WILL LOOK AT AT WAYS TO MAKE IT MORE FEASIBLE FOR PEOPLE TO SCAN THE PARKING. THANKS. ABSOLUTELY. MR. BOWMAN, IS THERE A I DON'T REMEMBER ON THE SIGNS IF SOMEBODY JUST SIMPLY CAN'T HANDLE IT, IS THERE A PHONE NUMBER FOR THEM TO CALL ON THE SIGNS THEMSELVES? IS THERE A PHONE NUMBER? SO I'M RUNNING INTO PEOPLE. I WOULD SAY THANK YOU. HE'S TALKING ABOUT ME OKAY. A GENERATION THAT MAY NOT BE COMFORTABLE AND THEY'RE NOT GOING TO COME ANYMORE. AND SO I THINK THE DATA IS GREAT. I MEAN I THINK THE MEGA DATA IS GREAT. PEOPLE ARE ADOPTING IT. AND ONCE YOU DO IT THE FIRST TIME IT GETS EASIER. BUT I AM RUNNING INTO FOLKS EVEN WITH EVEN THAT MIGHT BE FRIENDS WITH. THERE ARE FRIENDS, SURE, BUT ARE HAVING TROUBLE WITH IT. ABSOLUTELY. CAN I, CAN I CAN I REFLECT ON THAT COMMENT YOU MAKE SURE I AM AND HE'S REFERRING TO ME. OF COURSE I AM. THE MOST TECHNOLOGICALLY TECHNOLOGICALLY CHALLENGED. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, HOLD ON. WE ARE WAY OUT. I HAVE BEEN A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBLE THAN NORMAL, BUT. BUT WE NEED A MOTION RIGHT NOW TO CONTINUE

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MANAGER HAS AND I THINK ASHLEY. SO I MET HER TODAY OVER IN THE APARTMENT COMPLEX. SO SHE HAD MENTIONED THAT SOME OF THE RESIDENTS, FOR WHATEVER REASON, WERE HAVING ISSUES AND IT WAS IMPACTING THEM. BUT WE SHE SAID, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT ANOTHER TIME. I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IS THAT VISITORS ARE YOU AWARE OF ANY ISSUES WITH THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE THERE AND HAVING ISSUES WITH THE PARKING? I AM AWARE OF AN ISSUE WITH A HORN ON THE RAMPS, A TESLA HORN SPECIFICALLY. OKAY. AND WE ARE WORKING ON THAT WITH WITH OUR DEVELOPERS OF THE APP TO HAVE A MESSAGE THAT STATES, YOU KNOW, TESLA'S PLEASE DO NOT PARK IN THIS AREA SOMETHING THAT'S FRIENDLY, THAT WHEN THEY GO TO REGISTER FOR THAT SESSION, IT POPS UP THERE AND PEOPLE ARE WAKING UP GETTING THEIR ALARMS GOING OFF MUCH EARLIER IN THE MORNING THAN THEY'RE ANTICIPATING. SO I'M GLAD YOU'RE WORKING ON THAT. YES, SIR. AND THEN ON THE QR SCAM THAT YOU'RE PREVENTING, LIKE YOU SAID, YOU MONITOR, IS IT DAILY. SO DO YOU CHECK JUST THE SIGNS THAT ARE POSTED, OR DO YOU ALSO GO AND CHECK THE SIGNS THAT ARE IN ALL THE ESTABLISHMENTS AS WELL? SO IF WE'RE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE STATIC STICKER THAT I MENTIONED. YEAH. LIKE THE QR CODE. LIKE SOMEONE COULD GO AND PUT SOMETHING OVER. THE STATIC STICKERS AREN'T CURRENTLY UP.

THEY ARE GOING TO GO UP THAT STILL IS IN PRODUCTION TO GET THOSE PRODUCED. BUT THEY THEY WILL GO UP. BUT YES, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THOSE QR CODES ARE CHECKED DAILY. WE KEEP A LOG OF WHEN WE CHECK THEM IN CASE SOMEONE SAYS EVEN THOSE THAT ARE POSTED IN THE BUSINESSES, BECAUSE WHEN THOSE GO UP, WE WILL CHECK THOSE. YES, MA'AM. AND THEN THE KIOSKS, DO THEY FALL UNDER YOU, OR IS THAT OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO GET THE KIOSKS TO WORK PROPERLY? WE ARE WORKING ON THAT. CURRENTLY. WE HAVE A TIMELINE OF THAT AND WHEN THOSE WILL BE AVAILABLE. AND SO THE BOTTOM LINE IS THEY WILL BE VERY EXPENSIVE IF WE WANT TO REPLACE THEM. WE WANTED TO TRY THE NEW SIGNAGE TO SEE IF THE KIOSK WOULD BE NECESSARY. OKAY. BEFORE WE MAKE THAT EXPENDITURE OF FUNDS OKAY. AND THEN JUST CURIOUS ON THE UNPAID STATS LIKE I, YOU KNOW, I LOVE I LOVE DATA.

SO HOW DO WE COMPARE? HOW DOES SANDY SPRINGS COMPARE TO THE OTHER LOCATIONS THAT YOU HAVE AS FAR AS PAYMENT AND NON PAYMENT? WE HAVE A VERY HIGH PERCENTAGE OF COMPLIANCE HERE, MEANING VERY HIGH PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE PAYING. WE DON'T HAVE A HIGH PERCENTAGE OF CITATIONS ISSUED

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AND THAT STILL OPERATES AS NORMAL. CORRECT. SO AND WE'RE NOT CHANGING THAT, AT LEAST NOT YET. SO CORRECT. OR MAYBE NOT. I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE'RE GOING TO DO WITH THAT. BUT PEOPLE IF THEY DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THIS, THEY CAN STILL GO INTO THE GARAGE. ABSOLUTELY. AND GO BEHIND THE ARM 24 OVER SEVEN ON THE OTHER SIDE WHERE THERE'S VALET. BUT ON THE WEEKENDS, WHICH I HAD TO LEARN, PEOPLE PARK THERE FOR THE FARMERS MARKET. AND IF THEIR CHILDREN ARE RUNNING ON THE GREEN AND THEY GO OVER TWO HOURS, THEN THEY THEY HAD TO REGISTER, CORRECT. THEY SHOULD HAVE REGISTERED. SO. CORRECT. OKAY. THANK YOU. VERY WELCOME. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT. HEARING NONE. WE'LL CALL THE QUESTION. THE QUESTION IS ON AGENDA ITEM 2025 139. AN ORDINANCE AMENDING SUBPART H, CHAPTER SIX, ARTICLE TWO, DIVISION SEVEN OF THE CITY CODE OF ORDINANCES TO AMEND THE DEFINITION OF CITY SPRINGS TO INCLUDE ADDITIONAL ON STREET PARKING, PUBLIC FACILITIES. ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION SAY AYE.

[X. New Business]

STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF AN ORDINANCE AMENDING SECTION 58.1 22 OF THE CITY OF SANDY SPRINGS CODE OF ORDINANCES TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF A CITATION FOR THE PROPOSED OF PARKING ENFORCEMENT WITHIN THE CITY SPRINGS BOUNDARY TO $25 FOR THE FIRST TIME VIOLATION, AND IF NOT PAID WITHIN 15 DAYS, THE FINE WOULD ESCALATE TO $55. ALL RIGHT. YOU'VE HEARD THE REPORT OF THE DIRECTOR OF FACILITIES AND CAPITAL CONSTRUCTION AND BUILDING OPERATIONS. WHAT'S THE DESIRE OF COUNCIL MEMBER? MAYOR PAUL MISS MUELLER, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE. AGENDA ITEM 2020 5-1 85, AN APPROVAL OF AN ORDINANCE TO AMEND SUBPART A, CHAPTER 58, ARTICLE FIVE, SECTION 58, DASH 122 OF THE CITY'S CODE OF ORDINANCES TO AMEND THE CITY SPRINGS PARKING ENFORCEMENT SITE BY ENFORCEMENT. CITATION RATES. MOTION BY MISS MUELLER. IS THERE A SECOND SECOND MOTION BY MISS MUELLER, SECONDED BY MR. PAULSON, THAT WE APPROVE? AGENDA ITEM 2025 185, AN ORDINANCE AMENDING SUBPART A, CHAPTER 58, ARTICLE FIVE OF THE CITY'S CODE OF ORDINANCES TO AMEND THE CITY SPRINGS PARKING ENFORCEMENT CITATION RATES. ANY DISCUSSION, MISS MUELLER? SO, DAVE, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS FORWARD. I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THIS. I'D HAD SOME EMAIL TRAFFIC ON THIS WHEN YOU SAID $25 FOR THE FIRST TIME, AND THEN IT GOES TO 55. THAT'S THE SECOND AND THIRD AFTERWARDS WILL BE 55. IS THAT RIGHT? THE 55 IS ACTUALLY AFTER THE 15 DAY PERIOD. YOU HAVE 15 DAY PERIOD TO PAY THE TICKET AND THEN IT'LL GO UP TO 55. AND THEN LET'S JUST SAY THEY COME TWO WEEKS LATER AND THEN IT'S STILL THE SAME, SAME RATE. THAT DOESN'T STILL SAME SAME STILL THE SAME. OKAY. WHEN YOU SAID FIRST TIME. YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION HEARING NONE. WE'LL CALL THE QUESTION. THE QUESTION IS ON AGENDA ITEM 2025 185, AN ORDINANCE TO AMEND SUBPART A, CHAPTER 58, ARTICLE FIVE OF THE CITY CODE OF ORDINANCES AMENDING THE CITY SPRINGS PARKING ENFORCEMENT CITATION RATES. ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION SAY AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? NO. THE ITEM IS APPROVED. THE CLERK WILL PLEASE READ THE NEXT ITEM. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 2025 186. THIS IS CONSIDERATION OF A RESOLUTION TO APPROVE A CONTRACT AWARD TO SUNCOAST RESTORATION WATERPROOFING, LLC FOR THE CISTERN REPAIRS PROJECT AND TO AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE THE CONTRACT PRESENTED BY DIRECTOR OF FACILITIES, CAPITAL CONSTRUCTION AND BUILDING OPERATIONS DAVE WELLS.

MR. WELLS THE CISTERN AT SANDY SPRINGS WAS ORIGINALLY DESIGNED IN JULY OF 2016 AS A CAST IN PLACE STRUCTURE. DURING THE CONSTRUCTION PHASE, THE DESIGN WAS MODIFIED TO PRECAST SYSTEM.

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BIDDING RESULTS WERE AS FOLLOWS. JHC CORPORATION AT $480,300. STRUCTURAL RESTORATION SOLUTIONS AT $352,300, AND SUNCOAST RESTORATION AT $217,165.55. UPON REVIEW, THE BIDS STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT CONTRACT AWARD TO BE MADE TO SUNCOAST RESTORATION OF WATERPROOFING, LLC FOR THE REPAIR PROJECT IN THE AMOUNT OF $217,165.55 AND REQUEST AUTHORIZATION FOR THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE THE CONTRACT. YOU'VE HEARD THE REPORT OF THE DIRECTOR OF FACILITIES, CAPITAL CONSTRUCTION AND BUILDING OPERATIONS. WHAT'S THE DESIRE OF COUNCIL, MISS MUELLER, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE. AGENDA ITEM 2020 5-1 86 TO APPROVE TO APPROVE A RESOLUTION TO APPROVE A CONTRACT AWARD TO SUNCOAST RESTORATION AND WATERPROOFING, LLC, OF THE CISTERN REPAIRS PROJECT, AND TO AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE THE PROJECT. WE HAVE A MOTION. MR. MUELLER, IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND MOTION BY MISS MUELLER, SECONDED BY DOCTOR KELLY, THAT WE APPROVE? AGENDA ITEM 2025 186 A RESOLUTION APPROVING A CONTRACT AWARD TO SUNCOAST RESTORATION WATERPROOFING FOR THE SYSTEM REPAIRS PROJECT. ANY DISCUSSION? MR. PAULSON? WE'RE BACK WATERPROOFING THIS THING AGAIN. WHAT'S THIS CONTRACTOR TELLING US ABOUT THE WARRANTY FOR THIS SEALING EFFORT THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT? WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING HERE. I DO HAVE THE OWNER HERE. ALL WE DO IS REPAIR THIS THING AND ALWAYS SEEMS TO BE LEAKING. WE NEVER SEEM TO ACTUALLY GET IT. SO IF WE APPROVE THIS GOING FORWARD, HOW MUCH TIME DO WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THE THING ACTUALLY WORKS? COME TO THE MIC. SORRY. SORRY ABOUT THAT. THE WE'RE GOING TO PROVIDE A ONE YEAR WARRANTY ON LABOR. AND THE MATERIALS HAVE.

AND I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER THE SPEC. I BELIEVE THERE'S A FIVE YEAR ON THE ON THE CAULK THAT'S BEING REPLACED OUT THERE. THE SPALLING WILL BE CONCRETE. YOU KNOW IT'S ONE YEAR LABOR TO COME IN. IT'S LEAKING. YEAH. OKAY. WELL THEN WE CAN FUNCTIONALLY USE THIS THING. HOPEFULLY THAT'S THE GOAL. DONE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. MUELLER. SO, DAVE HOW HOW OFTEN WILL ONCE THESE REPAIRS ARE COMPLETE, WILL WE HAVE TO INSPECT. WE WILL GO DOWN ANNUALLY, PRESSURE WASH THE CISTERN AND INSPECT IT OKAY. AND THEN WILL THERE BE FUNDS APPROPRIATED AT THAT TIME TO DO REPAIRS IF THEY'RE NEEDED. OR IS THERE MONEY THAT'S GOING TO BE LEFT? BECAUSE I THOUGHT THIS WAS, WHAT IS THIS 1.3 MILLION THAT WE ORIGINALLY HAD BUDGETED FOR? WE STILL HAVE 1.3 MILLION IN THAT LINE ITEM. YES, MA'AM. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE WILL CALL THE QUESTION. THE QUESTION IS ON AGENDA ITEM ONE. EXCUSE ME, 2025 186 RESOLUTION APPROVING A CONTRACT AWARD TO SUNCOAST RESTORATION FOR THE CISTERN REPAIR PROJECT. ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION? SAY AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? NO. THE ITEM IS APPROVED. THE CLERK, PLEASE READ THE NEXT ITEM. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 2025 187. CONSIDERATION OF A RESOLUTION TO SET THE HEARING DATE FOR THE HOLY INNOCENTS EPISCOPAL SCHOOL SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT DENIAL.

APPEAL THAT SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT APPLICATION NUMBER SE 2538 IS PRESENTED BY CITY MANAGER IAN FREEMAN. MISS FREEMAN ALL RIGHT, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, OUR LAST BUT NOT LEAST, ITEM ON THE FORMAL AGENDA TONIGHT IS FOR COUNCIL TO ESTABLISH THE DATE THAT WOULD LIKE TO HEAR THE DENIAL OF THE SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT APPLICATION THAT WAS SUBMITTED BY HOLY INNOCENTS EPISCOPAL SCHOOL IN JULY. TONIGHT WE ARE NOT DISCUSSING THE MERITS, NOR THE DENIAL, BUT THE MEMO BEFORE YOU DOES GIVE SOME BACKGROUND ON HOW WE GOT TO THIS POINT. STAFF HAS SUGGESTED THAT WE LOOK TO SCHEDULE THIS AT EITHER OUR NEXT COUNCIL MEETING, WHICH WOULD BE SEPTEMBER THE 2ND OR THE MEETING

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[XI. Reports]

TODAY IS HER BIRTHDAY. THAT IS WHY SHE IS NOT HERE. SHE IS ON VACATION THIS WEEK. SO THAT'S THAT'S THE GOLD STANDARD FOR FINANCIAL ACCOUNTING AND THE CREDIT WORTHINESS OF A COMMUNITY. THERE VERY FEW CITIES AND COUNTIES AND STATES THAT QUALIFY FOR THE TRIPLE-A. WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO THAT. WE'RE AWAITING STANDARD AND POOR'S RATINGS. WE'RE HOPEFUL AND OPTIMISTIC THAT THEY WILL SEE THE SAME THING THEY SAW IN US 3 OR 4 YEARS AGO, AND WHAT MOODY'S HAS JUST SEEN FROM US IN THE LAST FEW WEEKS. SO I THINK THAT'S A THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE STAFF AND THE FINANCIAL TEAM SHOULD BE VERY PROUD OF, AS WELL AS THE WHOLE, THE COUNCIL AND THE WHOLE CITY, BECAUSE IT JUST SHOWS HOW WELL THIS COMMUNITY IS MANAGED. AND EVE, I THINK TIBBY, EVA WOULD BE PROUD THAT WE'RE STILL MANAGING THINGS 20 YEARS LATER TO THE STANDARDS THAT SHE SHE EXPECTED US. THOSE ARE THOSE ARE MY REPORTS. ANYBODY ELSE? THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, MR. DEGIULIO, I DO HAVE ONE THING. AND THIS IS FOR DAN. DAN, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT DOING A RESOLUTION FOR THE BOOTING. ONE OF THE THINGS I WOULD ASK YOU TO DO IN THE BOOTING RESOLUTION IS TO REQUIRE THESE BOOTING COMPANIES TO TAKE CREDIT CARDS, BECAUSE A LOT OF THEM ONLY TAKE CASH. AND PEOPLE TODAY, MYSELF INCLUDED, DO NOT CARRY ANY CASH. AND SO IF THEY DON'T TAKE CREDIT CREDIT CARDS, THEN THEN PEOPLE ARE FORCED, YOU KNOW, TO CALL RELATIVES OR SOMETHING. AND SO IF YOU COULD PUT THAT IN THE, IN THE WHATEVER RESOLUTION YOU'RE PUTTING, I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO OUR PEOPLE. GREAT SUGGESTION. ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE? ALL RIGHT, LADIES AND

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